Huyton_Red

I was talking to my dad (who is a blue) about this yesterday eating my sunday dinner Nearly everyone I speak to is unhappy with benitez at the moment.... The rotating the team, playing one up front against sh'te teams etc argument I hear from nearly everyone I speak to. And yet at the match he gets fantastic support, its weird. In the alehouses around the ground loads are moaning, when they get into work loads are moaning, on the web forums more moaning. Its not even as if you could say match going reds are fully supportive of him because thats b'ollocks, there are four of us that go, three are having severe doubts about him but still sing his name at the game and give the impression of unwavering support for him and then on the way home from games moan like f'ck all the way home I cant fathom this, when it started going banjo for houllier it turned in the ground more or less the same time it turned in the ale houses and web forums etc but for benitez it seems that all this rubbish with the owners have sort of protected him from any backlash from the fans, they have sort of closed ranks and offered a public display of support for him even though there is an ever increasing section of the fans that are starting to have doubts abouts him. My dad, who is a blue and very bitter reckons he is the luckiest manager alive, quotes pens etc etc etc and says something always happens to deflect attention from him. I am just going on the people I know and it would be interesting to see if your mates etc are the same, do you hear more and more people moaning about him and having doubts in work in the pub etc ? There seems to be a public display of support while behind the scenes loads are starting to lose faith

Took control in the second half We where playing a glorified pub team mate, jesus Come on eh, lets not beat about the bush, saturdays first half performance was truly horrific, as bad as I can ever remember at anfield when you consider the opposition Lost amidst all this anger aimed at the owners is the terrible form we are in at the minute, the passing and movement is awful, truly awful, as bad as the darkest days of houlliers reign. We have not passed the ball properly as a team for weeks, we need to get alonso back into midfield and start passing the football

I am sorry for cluttering up the boards with nonsense Ginu, but I must respond. The £17 million is a buy out clause in his contract and is the FEE that Liverpool have to pay to activate his contract. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...5/ufnliv225.xml Even if he is on £40,000 a week that would mean £10.4 million in wages for five years leaving £6.6 million for his owners. Dont talk sh'te you cluseless t***, We are not buying mascerano for £6.6 million If your going to come on here and start ripping into me at least be factually correct. Divvy, Im sick of taking sh'te of f'ckin idiots like you who worse of all havent got a clue what the f'ckin ell they are talking about I am sorry, you are asking for a new long term contract for a manager not because of results on the pitch, but because you want the owners to make a gesture of apology. So you want the owners to potentially put us back another five years with a manager who may not be good enough so they can apologise. And at no point the owners are allowed to talk to replacements no ? Are you for f'ckin real, is rafa's agent allowed to talk to others clubs like Did Liverpool FC speak to benitez whilst houllier was in charge ? You f'ckin loon. No its not, we have to pay a £17 million FEE for mascerano I cant quite understand this diatribe but I think your saying the fans and our mates at RTK are responsible for the parry bowl being ripped up and the new 71,000 stadium being built. Again, dont talk sh'te, put the f'ckin brandy back in the cupboard. The bigger staduim is being built because the new owners looked at the season ticket waiting list and thought, why are we building 60,000 when we will fill 71,000 every week. Thats more money for us and more fans on seats so lets build a bigger one. How do you know the debt would be on the club, how do you know the media have not been lying to you rather than the owners. Moores and parry disagreed and blocked it did they ? Dont talk sh'te, moores and parry have NO power at the club, NO voting rights, NO f'ckin shares. Wake up ffs I have just had to answer a drunken f'ckin head cases post so the least you can do is go through all my pages of garbage. F'ck me some of the sh'te I have to take from utter nob eds like you on here beggars belief

Yeh F'ckin Gypsy

Thanks Its the fall back scenario unfortunately for some, if you dont agree simply abuse or attack

"Kop has secured a £350 million financing package, led by The Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia Bank NA, which replaces previous financing that had been due in February 2008. The new financing will meet all of the Club's current financial needs and includes facilities to support the commencement of construction for the new stadium at Stanley Park and to provide working capital for the Club and future player transfers. Of the £350 million financing, £105 million is Club-level debt that will be used to ,fund commencement of construction of the new stadium at Stanley Parkfor future player transfers , and to meet the Club's working capital needs The other £245 million will be at the holding company level and was used to refinance the £60 million of debt that was on the Club's books at the time of last year's acquisition as well as the loan related to the share purchase at that time. The overall financing is being supported by a combination of owner cash, letters of credit and personal guarantees totaling £225 million, ensuring that the Club remains on a sound financial footing. " So the transfers from last season have not been paid for with debt on the club either have they F'ckin ell its get even more interesting this

'yeh' For the record I wrote a response to your stalker post that explained all my posts and proved beyond doubt that I am one of the few sane people on here actually I am being straight with people and you lot are big babies who cant handle the truth and start going off on one abusing me If I had the will to trawl through your last 100 posts I would find 89 containing sh'te, I know this from memory as usual I raise my eyebrows and think 'ere we go' when I see a post from 'matty' But I will not bring your inadequecies to the forums attention, so could you be so kind as to do the same for me

hE hAteZ aBUsE! Jesus Wept.... Ignored I have no time for people like you

No I am not and never have said they have spent £70 million of their own money However they have spent £70 million of Liverpools money, which is THEIR business and if Liverpool dont make money they dont make money Mascerano - I think you will find it is a £17 million transfer deal, the buyout clause in his contract is £17 million. That is what Liverpool have to pay to activate this clause. This is what we brought in Paletta (Undisclosed) Bellamy (£7.5m) Pongolle (£2.7m) Cissé (£8m), GarcÍa (2.7m) and sissoko (£9m) Total £27 million and we have spent about £70 million. £43 million net in seven months - NO Liverpool manager has ever been given that sort of money. Dont forget the 20 kids we have signed in the last 7 months as well They have sanctioned the buying of nearly £70 million worth of players, that is light years ahead of anything Liverpool have ever done before My point is this is why they where sold the club, to raise finance to invest on the pitch now and for the staduim now. Moores could not do that. Their carrot is they will make money in the longer term when the new staduim comes on stream and they hop improved TV contracts etc come into place We needed investment to compete NOW, not when the new staduim was built, that is what we have had, so lets not now turn round and say - 'But they have borrowed it' of course they have, just as DIC would have, just as the glazers do at Utd. They are investing now, using finance to get a return in the longer term. Your a businessman you understand that - I cant see why people are so horrified by this

Yes, didnt start calling him stupid and an imbecile did I Its ridiculous on here now - f'ckin joke knox. And as for my rant I didnt abuse or insult him I ranted at what he did First RTK - that guy come across as some miltant crank pot and as boohog said in an earlier post made us all look stupid with ridiculous demands. I was already fed up with them telling people what they can and cant do at matches etc etc and this just caps it off for me. They are NOT our spokespeople and never will be, just because their mate is the new Liverpool writer for the Echo and they are getting loads more publicity that doesnt mean they speak for us Now supporters network - again, they do not speak for the fans and my biggest problem with these polls was the timing, as I have said earlier do one when everything has settled down and allow people like me to add a few questions that arent loaded to get one answer, ie an anti-owners one

Net spend has nothing to do with anything I have said, neither has whether they borrow the money for transfers or rob a f'ckin bank. I said they have given the manager nearly £70 million to spend in seven months They - THE CLUBS OWNERS - have backed the managers judgement so far with over £50 million worth of buys, they are about to spend another £17 million. This is nearly £70 millun SPENT ON PLAYERS in 7 months That is a transfer budget other liverpool managers, even houllier could only dream about. I am a complete idiot and deluded but I refrain from stating what I think about you as personal abuse is not allowed etc etc What I said was exactly correct, rant and f'ckin rave all you want Im getting fed up of posters ranting and raving because they dont like what they read by other posters and calling them all kinds.

eh ????? What are yeh on about, I am sorry but you have lost me completely. You offered loads of my old posts as evidence I always changed my mind etc so I took the time to explain what I wrote and why I had written it and you post some rubbish one liner calling me stupid. Go and read my last 100000 posts for something else to come back with yeh f'ckin clown

They could sell The splitting of the money between kop holding and the club makes that easier. However they will probably stay, they see Liverpool as a very, very valuable asset and one which in a few years time will be worth a hell of a lot more. Things like TV contracts, the new staduim income and the under developed commercial side of the club appeal to them and I do not think they will sell

Go back in the thread and read my post where I listed all the transfers, including the £17 million that will be spent on mascerano next week and then come back and apologise, I will accept your apology of course

So hang on I come out and said rafa was stupid for going public with his ‘I am here to train the players’ quotes and said no one was bigger than the club and he was to blame for starting the madness in the press – This is true and I completely stand by that Then I said the owners should not sack rafa now and if they did sack him now I would walk away for good. – This is/was true and I completely stand by that Then I praised the owners for having some business sense in not just handing over £17 million for mascearno when the current squad was doing sh’te despite having £45 million spent on it. I said ‘if we can move sissoko on first then fair enough’ – This is/was true and I completely stand by that Then I said if they where about to sack a manager why would they give him another £6.5 million to spend on a defender, imo the press are trying to sh’t stare. – This is/was true and I completely stand by that Then I went mad because they approached jurgen klinsman and stated that if they hired him they could ruin the club the way Johnson did at everton and moores and parry where stupid to sell to them – This is/was true and I completely stand by that Then when I read all the LIES printed in the press stated that £350 million was going to be loaded on the club I went mad and again attacked the owners and moores/parry for selling to them This is/was true and I completely stand by that. I also said they would not be doing their job if they weren’t considering replacments for rafa next season as our league form has been awful – This is/was true and I completely stand by that Then when the true facts come out, that the money wasn’t loaded onto the club, we where getting a new 71,000 seater stadium and another £17 million for mascerano taking the spending to nearly £70 million in seven months I backed what the owners have done and if you would have done a more thorough stalk of previous posts of mine you would have seen that I posted the other day how I felt stupid by getting whipped into a frenzy by echo led lies about what the owners where actually doing. All consistent, all things I totally stand by yeh f’ckin loony

Are you prepared to carry out a hate campaign against the owners based on reports by journalists who have now been proven to be liars and who told us all £350 million worth of debt was being placed on Liverpool If they where liars there would not be a problem If they would have kept their mouth shut about klinsman this may not have blown up like it did Todays re-financing deal is exactly the same in its content etc as where we stood when they first arrived and everyone hailed them as savious ffs

So most fans want rafa given a new long term contract ? Where you reading the forums on here over xmas ????????????? And most fans want and expect the owners to go and buy a load of players out of their own pocket with none of this money being put against the club. Supporters network poll was done when the fans had been whipped up into hysteria by £350 million worth of debt on the club etc etc etc - as I said in an earlier post, do the same survery next week after the truth is out and another £17 million has been spent on mascerano and let me add a few questions like 1) Do you want rafa to be given a new long term contract now 2) Have the new owners backed the manager in the transfer market, is £70 million enough in 7 months 3) Did the new owners deliver the staduim we all really wanted when we all where up in arms about the 60,000 parry bowl 4) Now the club has not actually been laden with debt as you where told they would be are your views the same etc etc

Its a liverpool fans forum isnt it ? I am ranting about comments in the echo by some bloke on 'behalf of the fans' with a load of ridiculous demands on the owners I have no idea who john mackin is apart from he has something to do with that reclaim the kop thing, another self appointed voice of the fans group. I have no idea who he is and no interest in contacting him, who the f'ck is he like to warrant us having to contact him about what he says 'on our behalf'. The echo shouldnt be quoting crap like that If I want to discuss a bloke in the echo trying be the kops arthur scargill and giving the impression that he is speaking on behalf of us all then this is the place to do it. Are these lads at RTK now seriously saying that THEY decide who the manager of Liverpool is and THEY decide how much f'ckin money he gets, have they had enough of telling fans what to sing or telling norwegians they cant have flags. Otherwise there will be protests They will protest if Rafa doesnt get a new contract and rafa a substantial amount of money (which cant be borrowed of course) F'CK OFF who do they think they are like I am not having some bloke talking on behalf of Liverpool fans just because him and a few of his mates off a web forum are mates with the new liverpool echo writer

Thats a truly pathetic response

Thank you very much A voice of reason at last

B'ollocks "Unless the owners come out and say they are giving Rafa Benitez a new deal, they are going to support him extensively in the transfer market, and that none of the money to fund that will put the club in debt, they have got no chance of winning us over." F'ckin ell half of this forum want him sacked, never mind given a new contract. As for funding transfers with no debt, again f'ck off what planet is he on like. DIC wouldnt have done that, the glazers have not done that etc etc etc etc etc etc even f'ckin moores didnt do it, he lent us money fo kuyt for god sake WHICH HAD TO BE PAID BACK As for the survey results, do the survey again next week when mascerano has been signed, the staduim stuff has been announced and it is proven that there is not £350 million debt on the club Do it when all the FACTS are on the table And yes I threw my toys out the pram, but I am not having some f'ckin wannabe arthur scargill talking sh'te 'on behalf of the liverpool fans'

Who is John Mackin of Reclaim the Kop ??????????????? "Unless the owners come out and say they are giving Rafa Benitez a new deal, they are going to support him extensively in the transfer market, and that none of the money to fund that will put the club in debt, they have got no chance of winning us over." A) Who is he ? B) Why is he speaking on my behalf ? C) What f'ckin planet is he on with that set of 'demands' With respect to anyone who creates things such as reclaim the kop and the supporters network some of the lads created on here, dont be doing no f'ckin arthur scargill antics on my behalf. You DO not speak for the supporters so dont ever f'ckin claim do so unless all fans voted for you to have a position whereby you could speak on our behalf. You speak for yourself. Unless they give benitez a long contract and support him extensively in the transfer market with no debt ????? what f'ckin planet......... Wound me up this, it really has. I am sick of people speaking for me as a Liverpool fan and I am sick of people telling other fans what they can and cant do F'ck off

They have bowled the anny road end now as well to put all the extra seats in To me, this looks like the old staduim with the extra 11,000 seats in

Looks exactly like the other one doesnt it I think the big difference in price is due to the fact that this new one will not be expandable

Its not a wind up, it started off as one but its not now Its a fact, everything what I said is a fact isnt it