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  1. According to some of the masterminds on here this is all part of a grand scheme by Brendan to increase Pepe's value when we sell him next season. These same people are comparing it to BR loaning Carroll out last season. Which is a false comparison to start with as the issue wasn't that West Ham (or presumably other teams) weren't prepared to buy Carroll outright - it was that the player refused to leave and only agreed to go on loan on the last day of the window. Thankfully it worked out and he's now willing to make the move permanent. But all we've done here by signing Mignolet without any coherent plan to deal with Reina is drive his price down. He would have to have an absolutely outstanding season at Napoli for his price to go up when he's a year older and with a year less of his contract left. Loaning a player out to increase his value only makes sense if you're talking about a young player who needs experience. Loaning out the 30 year old third-choice keeper for the world champions just smacks of desperation.
  2. I actually agree with Mr. Boon - just trying (not too successfully) to make a joke based on the double entendre of "looking over your shoulder"
  3. I read on the Opta site that if keepers are looking over their shoulder all the time their save percentage goes way down ...
  4. Educate me sir! (Hint: Saying BR ensured we wouldn't get messed around by Barca and Reina and then saying we were messed around by Barca and Reina is a tad contradictory, no?)
  5. Rhetorical question - so I guess both
  6. If you were to read through this entire thread (ha ha!) you would see that in about November/December I was one of the first to say that I thought Reina had grown stale and that a move would be in both parties' interests. (And got a whole bunch of flak for it at the time). My views have changed on that given Pepe's return to form in the second half of last season but I still would not be adverse to replacing him with an up and coming keeper as long as it is handled right. The shambolic events of the past few weeks were not what I had in mind.
  7. I thought you just said BR ensured we wouldn't get messed around?
  8. I'd return the compliment if only I found anything you posted interesting enough to read
  9. If you don't have an answer to the question just say so There is no way any of Barca, Reina or Napoli could have f****d us over given that Reina was under contract to Liverpool Football Club And your mini-history should read "Pepe's agent comes to us and says that Barca are going to come in for him, we're already planning to get a new keeper, it then becomes clear that Barca are not going to come in for Pepe, so we act decisively to get a good young keeper in who's ready for the first team without a f****g clue as to what we're going to do with one of the highest earners in the squad.
  10. I see. And how could any one of those three "mess us over"? I thought you were implying BR was ensuring FSG wouldn't mess us over. Which would be pretty sad.
  11. Messed around again by whom?
  12. I would say it leaves us with a manager who is clueless on how to deal with situations like this.
  13. This is from a year ago but still makes for interesting reading. What I would really like to see are Pepe's stats for the second half of last season as compared to the first half. The Decline Of Pepe Reina | Stats Analysis http://www.eplindex.com/16070/decline-pepe-reina-stats-analysis.html I read in this piece on The Tomkins Times that Pepe Reina saved 69% of the shots he faced in the Premier League this season, which happened to be the average percentage figure for all the ‘keepers who made at least ten appearances in 2011/12. Pepe Reina? An average goalkeeper? Whilst that initially seemed surprising to me, thinking back it’s clear that he didn’t seem at his best last season, and indeed he hasn’t since Rafa Benitez left Anfield in the summer of 2010. I have previously looked at Reina’s form as part of other articles (here and here), but I thought it would be interesting to assess his statistics now that his seventh season on Merseyside has concluded. Below is a table showing the trend of his Premier League save percentage across his time at Liverpool: It’s interesting to note that Reina has never performed as well as he did when he first arrived in England; logic would dictate that it might take time for a 23-year-old Spaniard to adapt to the hustle and the bustle of the Premier League, but that wasn’t the case whatsoever. Perhaps of greater interest, and concern, is the very apparent downward trend to the graph as time has passed. Of course, it’s hugely important to consider the calibre of teammate he has had in front of him (starting with Hyypia and Carragher at their peak in 2005, who would surely have given away fewer clear-cut chances than the more recent Liverpool sides have) as well as the changes in managers, and therefore tactics, that have occurred over the past two years. Here are the figures by manager; whilst the above graph makes it fairly clear how this one will look, it certainly emphasises the massive differences between the three men Reina has served under: The top keeper in the Premier League this season, in save percentage terms, was David de Gea, who stopped 78% of the shots he faced. Coincidentally, that is the same figure as Reina has averaged across his whole Liverpool career. Disappointingly for the Reds, had Reina merely saved his previous average save percentage figure this season, then he’d only have conceded 24 goals instead of 35; Pepe’s average under Benitez would have seen a further three goals prevented on top of that. Considering that Liverpool lost fourteen games, and drew six matches where they conceded last season, even an average performance by Pepe would surely have brought the Reds far closer to the top four than the seventeen points adrift they ultimately finished. Whilst Rafa was in charge, Liverpool had two goalkeeping coaches; Jose Ochotorena from 2004 to 2007, and then Xavi Valero until Benitez was dismissed in 2010. How has Reina’s form varied under his differing coaches at Anfield? Top of the tree is Jose Ochotorena, and comfortably so. In his recent autobiography, Reina was fulsome in his praise of his fellow Spaniard: “I have worked with some great coaches, but the one who is the absolute master is Ochotorena. He knows me better than anyone else, understands everything about my strengths and weaknesses, and working with him has been one of the greatest experiences of my career. Ocho is the one who knows me better than anyone else and the one who can bring the very best out of me…(Ocho) is the best goalkeeping coach on the planet“. Whilst it is often tempting to take any such praise in a footballer’s autobiography with a pinch of salt, the statistics certainly suggest that Reina is spot on with his assessment of his first goalkeeping coach at Anfield. Pepe has also clearly not been as good since Ochotorena’s departure. So what does this mean going forward? Could it even be time to wave goodbye to the popular Spaniard and cash in so that the team can be rebuilt? Certainly his form suggests that it might be, and at thirty years of age in August, this may be the last time Liverpool could extract top dollar from a purchasing club. Also, whilst acknowledging that Doni only had a small sample of games last season, the Brazilian did save 73% of the shots that he faced, showing he could well be a suitable replacement should Reina move on. That said, the appointment of Brendan Rodgers should ensure Reina recovers his form to some extent, as the Ulsterman will be looking for Pepe to play as a sweeper-keeper, much like he did under Benitez when he displayed his best form. The deeper defensive line employed by Dalglish, and especially Hodgson, meant that Reina was asked to play within himself and was not able to dominate the backline as he prefers, and that will undoubtedly have had an effect on his form. Of course, after a topsy-turvy few years at Anfield, Reina may take the decision himself and decide that a change of scene (and no doubt Champions League football on his part) would be best for all concerned. But Reina is the best Liverpool goalkeeper that I have seen in my lifetime, so I certainly hope he lines up for Liverpool in 2012/13. If the Reds are to finish in the top four though, Pepe’s form will need to be much closer to his level during the Benitez years than it has been recently. Has anyone got Ochotorena’s phone number? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And here is the latest from Tomkins Reina, Reina Go Away, Come Again Another Day http://tomkinstimes.com/2013/07/reina-reina-go-away-come-again-another-day/ By Paul Tomkins At first glance, loaning out Pepe Reina for a year seems odd. And although it doesn’t make full sense, particularly if only half of his wages are being met by Napoli, there are, all the same, some understandable reasons why it ended up this way. Rumours have been circling since January about a list of players Liverpool would listen to offers for; indeed, talk was of the club actually actively touting those players around. They were all slightly older and on higher wages; players whose performances weren’t seen to be matching what they were being paid. Reina was one name that was mentioned. His form picked up markedly in the second half of the season, but he hasn’t been at his very best for several years now; the five years between 2005 and 2010 were up there with the finest of any Reds’ custodian. At 30 he’s still only halfway through his keeping career – on paper he has ten good years ahead of him, as most finish at around 40; contrary to a younger outfield player, at say 28, and who may only have five years left at a peak level. Simon Mignolet has been in better form than Reina, in terms of stopping stops, for a couple of seasons now. He’s good with his feet, as an outfield player in youth football, and has a solid mentality. A £9m investment, Mignolet is five years younger than Reina, and if the stats are to be believed, a better keeper at this juncture. He’ll also be on half Reina’s wages. Reina was seen as a someone on a ‘bad contract’ (see Dan Kennett’s piece from 2011, which is also in the new Best of TTT book, for an explantation of bad contracts, and how almost all of the players Dan saw as vulnerable have now left the club in just two years). Reina also seemed set for a move to Barcelona, so even if Pepe’s improvement in the second half of last season caused a rethink amongst the Reds’ hierarchy, there was a very real chance he’d be off anyway, to replace Victor Valdes. Then Valdes, having said that he was off, stated that he was going to see out the final year of his contract. Liverpool had moved for Mignolet, and now had two top keepers. Brendan Rodgers spoke about competition for places, but I feel he was just trying to make the best of an unplanned situation; a bit like how Gérard Houllier tried to buy either Jerzy Dudek or Chris Kirkland, and as push came to shove, accidentally ended up with both. You don’t need two top keepers, and certainly not when the one on the bench is one of the club’s top three highest earners. Liverpool don’t have the ability to maintain a wage bill like Chelsea, United or City. Is it therefore a good use of a wage of £100k+ a week, given that substitute keepers might barely catch a ball all season? I’m not sure keepers need competition to improve. They need motivation, but competition is awkward with keepers. When Souness juggled three “first choice” keepers they all became nervous wrecks. When Kirkland and Dudek were competing, neither felt relaxed enough to actually do his job. Chopping and changing them often leads to unease. Ideally the second keeper is the one with the lower profile, on lower wages, and who is happy to sit on the bench every week. He obviously must be competent, but the odds of him playing more than five league games in a season must be less than 10%. But Mignolet wasn’t bought to do that. Reina wouldn’t be happy on the bench, and this way he gets to play every week under his favourite manager and goalkeeping coach, compete in the Champions League and, as a result, almost certainly go to the World Cup in Brazil. His value may even increase, if he has a sensational season, whereas being on the Liverpool bench would only harm it. This is similar to the Andy Carroll situation last season: while I felt it was wrong to loan him, particularly as no replacement had been bought – therefore the opposite of this case – his value would have waned had he just sat on the bench every week. He went to West Ham, got injured, and that very depreciation looked like happening. And then he got fit, grabbed some goals and suddenly Liverpool got their full asking price; had he spent the season on the Reds’ fringes they’d have struggled to get £10m, as opposed to the eventual £17.5m. Last summer, Liverpool let their asset go before the new man arrived; a mistake. This time that mistake was avoided, but of course, the existing asset’s situation changed, and both ended up on the books; a mistake! That’s how things can transpire. There are concerns with Mignolet, in that this is a higher level of pressure and scrutiny than he’s previously experienced, and he might wilt in the glare of the spotlight. That’s the worst case scenario. Of course, if he ultimately flops, Reina will still be on the books in 2014, contracted to 2016; maybe next year he’ll return a revived keeper? But a case could be made for it being easier for Mignolet to settle and relax without a popular figure waiting in the wings. For me, tense keepers are the biggest liabilities. It’s a confidence position, in that keepers have to be able to play their natural game and ignore their mistakes; if they focus on them, for fear of being dropped, they can stop coming for crosses, and the whole defence becomes anxious. The fact that Liverpool would still be paying Reina half his wages puts a bit of a dent in my argument, but it’s still circa £60k a week being saved, and there can be benefits, as outlined, as to his transfer value in a year’s time. All the same, I’m still very sad to see such a good, likeable character depart, and his personality will be missed around the squad. With Carragher retired and some other big personalities leaving last summer, Liverpool cannot afford to become a team of tomorrow’s men, who are unready for today (because tomorrow never seems to come; the best players keep leaving because the team isn’t quite there yet). However, the arrival of Kolo Toure shows that the club are not ignoring older players with tons of experience if the price is right. Equally, Steven Gerrard has just signed a new contract, and most of the first-choice defenders, aside from Toure, are in their late 20s. And Mignolet is no novice. He’s three years older than Reina when he arrived in 2005, and if being used to English football can be overplayed, it can be important for keepers, given the style of football over here, particularly from teams like Stoke and Bolton over the years. I don’t see this event as asset-stripping, as so many fans seemed to suggest to me last night on Twitter. It’s about managing the resources better; freeing up wages to give to players who merit them, rather than those who merited them in the past. Obviously if Liverpool don’t reinvest on two or three more top players this summer I’ll be angry, but the big wages need to be for the first XI, not to sit on the bench (and keepers don’t even get to play 20 minutes to make an impact.) The Red Sox were similarly overhauled this year, and they’re having a great season. Football may not work in quite the same way, but if you can get better performers on lower wages (by being smart), then what’s not to like? People moaned when FSG blew millions on Carroll, Downing and Henderson, and yet now they’re accusing them of asset-stripping, even though the actual situation leaves them with two keepers, not one. Personally speaking, I wouldn’t have replaced Reina with Mignolet, not least because I rarely watched Sunderland play more than the twice against Liverpool; maybe the odd game I caught here and there. I’m not a scout, and don’t watch the rest of the division, and the rest of Europe, in the way that a scout would. I’d have stuck with Reina, due to my emotional connection to him. But as much as emotions are a key part of the experience of the sport – it’s about feeling things, as fans and spectators – then decision-making needs to be bereft of sentiment. And too much of the reaction by fans away from the games themselves remains in the emotional zone. Bill Shankly is seen as the toughest ever Liverpool manager, perhaps because he did things like ignore injured players and had a stare that could turn people to stone, but he admitted to struggling to replace his stars once they stopped performing as well. He admits to sticking with them too long. But Bob Paisley, by contrast, was the absolute master of the cold, calculating decision. Players were sold before people thought it was time to sell them, and yet the team always got better, and never got old. Without oligarch owners, and without the Champions League, and without a massive stadium full of corporate boxes, Liverpool need to be smarter with their money. If Reina, who was worth £20m+ in his prime but whose value has slipped quite dramatically, goes for £9m next summer (hopefully to Barca, maybe to Napoli), the Reds will have a neutral net spend on goalkeepers, but will be paying a lot less each week to their first choice. That first choice will still be in his mid-20s, and the thinking of the scouts, manager and transfer committee is obviously that he is capable of performing at a higher level than Reina has since 2010. Statistically, Mignolet, who is two inches taller than Reina, has been miles ahead of the Spaniard in recent seasons, in terms of percentage of shots saved; and although it’s a different challenge if you only have one save to make each match as opposed to 20, obviously people at the club rate the Belgian’s ability to do the job properly. While the stats may be flawed, few Liverpool fans will seen enough of Mignolet (unless they watched Sunderland as much as Liverpool) to make a fair comparison, and even then they’d have probably been biased towards the Reds’ man. So the stats offer some objective measure. It could all go horribly wrong, of course, but that’s football. Everything is a risk of sorts. People went berserk when Torres was sold, but in retrospect gaining £50m looks like a masterstroke (even if the reinvestment wasn’t). As I noted some weeks ago, players are just passing through. Love them while they’re here, but we never fully “own” them. There’s very little true loyalty from clubs or players: they all move on, or are moved on, when it suits.
  14. Try telling that to David Hodgson No, it's not. Even if BR wanted to replace Pepe with Mignolet there's ways to go about it that are more savvy financially.
  15. So you're saying we need to sell any player who wants to leave? And Pepe would probably have jumped at the chance to be the first-choice keeper for Barca the entire time he's been here. It's his first club, the best club in the world over the past five years, he's a Spanish international and a Basque - so what? Nah, we shouldn't have signed Mignolet in the first place
  16. Why couldn't we keep him as first choice?
  17. I don't know ... how did Brad Jones do in the North East Player of the Year voting when he was at Middlesborough?
  18. Then why not sell him?
  19. Huh? So you're saying we're buying a goalkeeper at least a year before we have to and loaning our keeper out for a year to suit Reina and Barca and that's okay? Weren't you saying in the Suarez thread that LS should be forced to stay if we can't get an appropriate fee for him? And how do you know Valdes won't change his mind (again) and sign a new contract at Barca?
  20. Seems a bit odd that a no-mark poster thinks he knows what Napoli, Barca and every other club in the world want ... If Pepe stayed this summer and we didn't sign a keeper to possibly replace him next year there would have been an uproar?
  21. I had to check the date to see if it was April 1
  22. :applause:/>
  23. Nigerian clubs suspended after 'scandalous' scorelines http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23240104 Four clubs involved in two play-off matches that ended 79-0 and 67-0 respectively - a total of 146 goals - have been suspended in Nigeria. Plateau United Feeders were 79-0 victors over Akurba FC while Police Machine FC demolished Bubayaro FC 67-0. "It is unacceptable - a scandal of huge proportions," said Muke Umeh, chairman of the Nigerian Football Federation (NFF) Organising Committee. "The teams are suspended indefinitely, pending further sanctions." Plateau United Feeders and Police Machine went into the matches level on points, with promotion to the lowest tier of the Nationwide League Division at stake. Feeders scored 72 of their goals in the second half, while Police Machine reportedly scored 61 times after the break in their game. The results meant that Plateau edged above Police Machine on goal difference. Umeh added: "We will investigate this matter thoroughly and get to the bottom of it." The NFF's director of competitions, Dr Mohammed Sanusi, gave assurances that the Organising Committee would hand out severe sanctions on all persons and institutions indicted by the investigation. "The teams involved, their players and officials, match officials, coordinator and anyone found to have played some role in this despicable matter would be severely dealt with," Sanusi said.
  24. Why would anyone hack Walrus' account? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exclusive – Brendan Rodgers: Liverpool are in complete control of Luis Suarez’s future http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130622/exclusive-%E2%80%93-brendan-rodgers-liverpool-are-complete-control-luis-suarez%E2%80%99s-2001 Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has told talkSPORT the club is in full control of Luis Suarez’s future as rumours about him moving to Real Madrid intensify. The controversial Uruguayan appears to be posturing for a move away from the club after he hinted he’d like to play for the La Liga side and made comments about the poor treatment he feels he receives from the English media. But the Reds boss, who is currently in contact with the player, has insisted only Liverpool will decide whether the forward will leave the club - no matter what he says. “It’s quite simple,” Rodgers told the Transfer Tavern. “The club is in complete control of the situation. “For me there is no real change in it [Luis Suarez’s future]. He’s away with the Uruguay squad at the moment and we’re messaging and what not. “I will always listen to players. I always work closely with players and listen to their point of view but the biggest word is with the club. “Sometimes interviews get put out there and highlighted, but parts of Luis’ interviews have been about how much he loves Liverpool, but of course that doesn’t get highlighted. “It’s something that happens. I’m quite relaxed about it.” And Rodgers is adamant that the Uruguayan loves the club and will always give 100% when he wears the famous red shirt. He continued: “What I know is that the support Luis has had from the people here in Liverpool, the city and the football club, has been phenomenal and I know he feels that and respects that. “We’re in a situation where we’ve got a player who we don’t want to lose. We’re trying to build something here and he’s a very important part of that and because of the type of player he is he will always give his best.”
  25. Didn't Middlesborough deny the Ziege clause? And how about United and Heinze? These clauses may be more open to interpretation than we're assuming.
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