The Derby

[Guest Ant]

But for us...Jesus Christ I hope the International Break comes good for us for once...

 

Rafa will probably drop Torres to take the piss....

[Mike]

patronising and grammatically poor.

stay behind after class.

[sutty]

I corrected the their/there thing

 

I'm not sure what this topic is supposed to be about anyway.

[Guest Ant]

The fact we have been utter s***e recently thanks to poor team Selections and no Motivation due to rotation...

 

Repeat...

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

It makes sense when you think about it

[sutty]

The fact we have been utter s***e recently thanks to poor team Selections and no Motivation due to rotation...

 

Repeat...

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

No Motivation due to rotation

 

It makes sense when you think about it

 

That's b******s Ant.

[sutty]

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[Earl Hafler]

That's b******s Ant.

 

The motivation part isn't.

[Guest Ant]

How is it?

 

None of our players look interested because they know the likelyhood is they will be dropped. You don't have to see Torres's face and movement when on the bench or coming off, Does that look like a tired player to you?

 

Look at Arsenal, Consistant Wins come with Consistant Teams

 

As for us Rafa rotates his players seemingly for no good reason at all, all for the sake of an 'Idea' Which obviously didn't work, but in the grand scheme of things we should just accept it?

 

Rotation does work for the Final Third of the season, but we are always out by then....

 

I'm tired of the same old story each season....

Edited October 8, 2007 by Ant

[sutty]

The motivation part isn't.

 

Hmmm....

 

I take issue with everything being put down to rotation.

 

If you genuinely think there is a fundamental lack of desire in the squad then we are f***ed. That isn't fixable.

[Mike]

once more:

rotation isn't the problem, team selection is.

[Guest Ant]

once more:

rotation isn't the problem, team selection is.

 

Thats like saying Tom Hicks isn't the problem, George Gillett is?

 

It's the exact same thing, his team selection is chosen from rotation which doesn't work....

[johngibo YPC]

The motivation part isn't.

 

i think it is

Is the idea that strikers aren't bothered about trying to score because it won't guarantee them a starting place is ridiculous to anyone who has ever played football at any level

And Gerrard is the one who, to me anyway, seems to have the least amount of motivation at the moment and he is rotated the least

[Earl Hafler]

And once more, in certain cases it's the same thing. Crouch being selected for a game, then dropped for a few, then selected for a game, is rotation. Gerrard partnering Masch then Momo then Mash is rotation.

 

People saying it isn't rotation are saying this because

a ) They don't understand

b ) They don't want to conform with the media.

 

I think it's b with you, Mike.

[johngibo YPC]

How is it?

 

Look at Arsenal, Consistant Wins come with Consistant Teams

 

Look at Derby, consistent losses with consistent teams

 

your points are far too simplistic

[IgPig]

Its an excuse. And if its one the players are using then they aren't the right players.

 

It might apply to Crouch, but most of the "big" players that have been available have generally played, and been poor for the last half dozen games.

 

Agree with Mike - when he has rotated he has got key positions wrong in a couple of games.

Edited October 8, 2007 by Post Kuytal Glow

[Guest Ant]

i think it is

Is the idea that strikers aren't bothered about trying to score because it won't guarantee them a starting place is ridiculous to anyone who has ever played football at any level

And Gerrard is the one who, to me anyway, seems to have the least amount of motivation at the moment and he is rotated the least

 

Ask yourself, why was Torres playing in the league cup rather than the previous two league games before that?

 

If he started against Pompey and was dropped v Birmingham, fair enough, but he didn't start against Pompey along with Gerrard and we lost points?, So what does Rafa do, Drop him Again....

 

It's not ridiculous to think that strikers when scoring goals, actually go on to score more goals?

[johngibo YPC]

Thats like saying Tom Hicks isn't the problem, George Gillett is?

 

It's the exact same thing, his team selection is chosen from rotation which doesn't work....

 

Its not the same thing at all and i actually agree with Mike

I don't think rotation is the problem, its picking the wrong team for certain gamers, or a lack of balance in the team for certain games.

[Guest Ant]

Look at Derby, consistent losses with consistent teams

 

your points are far too simplistic

 

Remind me about this when Derby actually become the team we intend to compete with?

[johngibo YPC]

Ask yourself, why was Torres playing in the league cup rather than the previous two league games before that?

 

If he started against Pompey and was dropped v Birmingham, fair enough, but he didn't start against Pompey along with Gerrard and we lost points?, So what does Rafa do, Drop him Again....

 

It's not ridiculous to think that strikers when scoring goals, actually go on to score more goals?

 

Well that has nothing to do with any of the points you were arguing though does it

[sutty]

How is it?

 

None of our players look interested because they know the likelyhood is they will be dropped

 

Specualtion and also wrong. Gerrard is playing badly for that reason is he? In reality there are 3/4 positions that Benitez rotates regularly. Up front, left wing and Gerrard's partner in centre mid.

 

 

Look at Arsenal, Consistant Wins come with Consistant Teams

 

The mancs rotated on Saturday. Arsenal have a bit to prove before they should be used as a yardstick.

 

As for us Rafa rotates his players seemingly for no good reason at all, all for the sake of an 'Idea' Which obviously didn't work.

 

What is this "Idea" that you refer to and what exactly didn't work? Benitez is the manager and is paid to make the decisions. His view is that he picks the strongest available 11 on the day of the game. You can rattle on some more about Portsmouth away but Gerrard's performances since then suggest that perhaps Rafa realised that something was amiss with him.

 

Rotation does work for the Final Third of the season, but we are always out by then....

 

I'm tired of the same old story each season....

 

Perhaps the players simply aren't good enough? It's all too easy to go on about rotation as the root cause of all the on field issues.

[Earl Hafler]

i think it is

Is the idea that strikers aren't bothered about trying to score because it won't guarantee them a starting place is ridiculous to anyone who has ever played football at any level

And Gerrard is the one who, to me anyway, seems to have the least amount of motivation at the moment and he is rotated the least

 

Does Crouch look motivated to you ? Is the team playing well ? Why was there a completely new left side, central midfield pairing and strike partnership between Marseille and Spurs games ?

 

You cannot give players one game to prove their worth. Even players on £60,000-£100,000 a week are going to become disillusioned if they aren't given a chance.

 

I remember discussions a few years ago with people who wanted Didi to play only in the games against the top 4. Maybe Rafa was one of them.

 

If you expect players to perform at the flick of a switch then you must also expect the team to play like fecking Fraggles or something.

[Mike]

And once more, in certain cases it's the same thing. Crouch being selected for a game, then dropped for a few, then selected for a game, is rotation. Gerrard partnering Masch then Momo then Mash is rotation.

 

People saying it isn't rotation are saying this because

a ) They don't understand

b ) They don't want to conform with the media.

 

I think it's b with you, Mike.

 

no its comes from watching football, primarily lfc for 30 years.

 

rotation is not the same thing as poor selection.

 

he has a pool of players to pick from, i happen to believe at times he's picking the wrong set up. that is not rotation.

marseilles:

crouch and torres up front - bad pairing, not rotation (no movement between midfield and attack).

sissoko and gerrard - bad pairing, not rotation (especially at home, sissoko does his best work when we DONT have the ball)

you can go back to the CL final for a bad team selection rather than rotation if you want.

[Guest Ant]

Its not the same thing at all and i actually agree with Mike

I don't think rotation is the problem, its picking the wrong team for certain gamers, or a lack of balance in the team for certain games.

 

Yes which is down to rotation, which leeds to a lack of balance, lack of consistancy and a general feeling of confusion amongst the team.

 

The thing with Rafa he actually knows the team that will start the game after next, and regardless of who scores and who plays well he will stick to it

Edited October 8, 2007 by Ant

[johngibo YPC]

Remind me about this when Derby actually become the team we intend to compete with?

 

they are not, my point was there are a million factors into what makes a winning team

The idea that Arsenal being above is solely down to rotation is far too simplistic

[Guest Kaizer]

We played our best team against Spurs and only managed to get a draw because players that because of injuries usually never gets rotated f***ed up, these being Hyypia, Carra and Finnan.

 

How do you relate that to rotation?