Tyler

i think running width of the pitch is what did him alonso made a half hearted attempt to stop him lesson to be learned is what chelsea, arsenal, united do - hunt referees in packs. use media to put pressure on them other teams do it - naive of us not to do it because its not "The Liverpool Way"

not helped by defence not being settled and also lacking sami's ability to organise i think carra could do with a break - has played almost every game for last three seasons decision making and concentration of late seems to be an issue i also think we're defending a higher line and so balls over top cause problems. united were on to this yesterday

spot on its rubbish to say we shouldn't do it we should do whatever we need to do to get an advantage other teams all do it and it makes a difference there is no way rooney would have been sent off today for doing what masch did

tempo of english game is a yard or three quicker than italian and spanish leagues allows us to get better of most foreign teams todays game turned on the sending off up until then it was fairly even gerrard could have scored just before that

chelsea winning is better as they may run united close arsenal have been running out of steam in the league i'd like arsenal still to be in the hunt when they play us in europe though

drogba just got booked for taking his shirt off after scoring stupid rule

3rd or win european cup? beating everton next week is really important would give us breathing space with european games in mind

assuming we are still in with a shout after first tie reckon rafa will field a weakened team for this imagine ferguson's rants

fact is we should harangue refs chelsea, arsenal and united do it and it gives them an edge when it comes to tight decisions sometimes we just are not professional (cunning) enough rafa should have gone off on one about torres not being protected

carra has played an awful lot of football in last three years i think a break would do him good, his legs aren't gone just seems to be poor concentration and decision making i also think we really underestimated sami's role in our defence and his ability to organise things off the ball today was one of those things. would have been worse if it was first leg in europe. babel had beating of brown but we never got him the ball we had better of it for first fifteen then they came into it and it was even enough until the goal and sending off changed things we looked nervy - hicks may have been on to something last year

said on another thread that it is impossible for english international to get sent off for dissent

Before people go off on one, can I just say any analysis of today's game that does not take into account the fact we had ten men is pointless some people are saying how could same players beat inter milan so comfortably and don't mention their ten men game can be summarised as mistake by reina for goal got in his head so he was poor on crosses masch sent off we do okay but never threaten reina flaps at cross heads drop and they pick us off once more

ten men

rematch in moscow?

seems his concentration is gone as much as anything he might benefit from a break as he has been playing pretty much every game

we were doing fine. usual type of game until we gifted them a goal and masch was sent off result is an aberration. we saw against inter how difficult it is with 10 men once masch went off we were beaten

self destructed today one of those games main thing is we react for next game

they have the indian sign over us we're sulking now hopefully chelsea win later today and run them close

write it off hopefully reina is strong enough to recover

can he?

if we can get to 80 minutes at 1-0 united will get nervy and we might get a chance to sneak something more likely that they will pick us off on the break but at 1-0 we always have a chance of grabbing a goal good spell at the moment but nothing on target

seems impossible for an english international to get sent off for dissent

yeah can see him getting another yellow babel was our best player and is coming off why?

this is not looking very good

different when you're in the heat of battle though easy say that sat on a couch we need more players with passion like mascherano he normally controls it so lets not get carried away