AJ The Red

NYR the only other optimist about? anyway im off hope i wake up to some news.

I want them gone as much as the next fan , not buying my lads footy kits twice a year isnt possible.They love liverpool and are too young to realise whats going on.You may not like that but i wouldnt stop buying kits.I dont realy spend on anything else only tickets associated with the club.I have no lfctv etc.A football kit is also more than just money in their pockets its advertisement for the club , i always look around when the little ones playing footy to see how many scum tops are about im sure most other fans do too.

I applaud your optimism , it will take masses of people a long time to hit them in the pocket.If there is that much support great but i just cant see it myself.A few people boycotting rbs will mean nothing. I cant see how they can take any money out of the club for years , i mean they must service the debt.We must be competitve and be in the cl or i cant see how they will have the cash to build the stadium or even keep up loan payments. G+H are t***s and ignorant but they arnt stupid , they arnt where they are for being stupid they know we need to compete.

Trouble is fans as we all know are fickle , prob me included.Opinion polls carry zero clout.There have been so many despised owners at different clubs down the years and i havent thought twice about it till now. Protests against owners has been fairly common at a few clubs but im not sure its ever achieved much only that the owners know they are hated. Thats my optimism out of the way for today i hope DIC are in the news for the right reasons tomorrow but i just cant see it.

We saw all the protests and stuff when the glazers took over.Season tickets ripped up etc.What happened people just took their places and the club moved on. I know we are in a different situation but RP and DM have sold the club to these .Moores made maasive money and thats down to us fans at the end of the day. If them w*****s wont sell and we cant force them out what else you going to do?

Shoot me down in flames if you like , Fans diappear LFC folds they lose a lot.LFC massive success they make big bucks. They have made massive errors we all know that but if they dont sell we are stuck with them.I really hope DIC come in but it doesnt look likely, we may all clinging on to false hopes by the looks of things. If we are stuck with them then theres nowt i can do but support my team

Is it about time we just gave the yanks a chance? If this deal goes through then we are stuck with them weather we like it or not.It may be time to at least try and be optimistic and look forward because if they do publicly back benitez ,get masch in and admit they have made gross mistakes maybe we can move on. All this s**** about our club is depressin but people make mistakes they havent got a clue what they have bought but maybe now they have?? I know most want to chop them to bits and feed them to the pigs but at the end of the day LFC is the most important thing to us all including them, they stand to lose massive if this goes t*** up. I guess all the pesimism is gettin me down and im trying my best to be slightly optimistic.

Does it really matter if the if the finance is on the club or not.The yanks are going to take what they want no matter what.At the end of the day no matter where the finance is placed if they decide to take 50m out of our club its still 50m only it will look like its not on the club but ultimatly it is. 350 owed is 350m owed you can show 10 different ways but its still the same s****

You will prob find that masch also starts in all the tough games making your stats misleading. Keep Momo? you must be joking Momo cannot pass or even keep hold of a football.Great engine and stamnina , s**** player. The spine of the team is ok its the f***in dross all around and a defensive unit that need total rebuilding that the problem

Cant believe this thread Masch has been our most consistent performer and has played brilliantly.Last night 3 v 1 and he managed to slow thier attack down till we got numbers back due to his awareness and positioning. I think he is the best in the world at what he does and he contributes as much going forward as alonso does.We need to take the blinkers off. What we are lacking are quallity attacking fullbacks that a player like masch can let run forward.Alonso just cant cover the ground.If we had an alves and an evra playing who can actually run and cause problems and score goals we would be a different team.We are so static with no movement its frightening. Why dont we discuss the real problems in the team as we all know what they are.Too many average players.

Masch hyypia god knows

wtf has moores said about all this s***? i cant find anything has he buried his head in his mountain of cash? I cant believe he has sold out like this , where are the guaratees ? They said the club wouldnt be saddled with debt.

who else has had a shot? at the top 4

Why does everyone blame money , money is obviously needed but ffs 11 players out there today looked like strangers.There is no movement,no desire its just a shambles. Something is wrong behind the scenes we all know it, our football is dire and thats being kind.If this is what he can do and 3 and a half years then we will never win the league with Rafa. Something is wrong , take the yanks out of the equation when the players are on the pitch thats when you let your feet do the talking and our players arnt playing for our manager.I think its that simple.Im sure if he goes it will all come out.

Whats wrong with this thread? Its something that needs addressin, if you dont want to discuss then dont waste your time im sure you have better things to do

we are in a bad mood arnt we ?

We all know he is out of favour and not getting a lookin but all this speculation about him moving has gone too quiet.Crouch has 18 months left on his contract we either need to get him to sign a new one(which doesnt look like happening) or sell him. He will be worth half in the summer and nothing next jan ,it looks like money is tight so we cant afford to give him away.I cant find any news about him at all and its a bit worrying .i know we have other stuff to worry about but this needs addressing asp

The more i see stuff like this the more angry i get with RP , he is a f***in clown i just cant beleive he advised mores to see to these people

Its simple we dont have good enough players to sustain a season long title charge. May sound stupid but Rafa has had to settle for second best a fair few times and i think the fact that he did is biting him in the ass.We have a good core but the rest arnt good enough for our club.with hindsight prehaps Rafa should have kicked up a fuss about being backed at the time rather than buy

you are correct

Gh never invested in youth like Rafa , It was all for the first team.Its well know that GH ignored our youth setup and hardly ever watched them.

At the end of the day i support liverpool fc and i will back the man while he is still in charge.However i think its time for a change it will be 4 yrs in the summer and although the squad looks a lot better overall our first team isnt of a much better quality than when GH was here.Top 4 is looking a long way off if we keep up this crap football we are playing. How can anyone say murinho hasnt a clue tactically look what the guy has one in 6-7 yrs ffs.I dont know who id want as next manager and it pains me to say but you couldnt look much further at the moment , who else is available?

So what exactly is wrong with our team then?So if you were in charge of our squad because you know sod all you would have nil points now? If we had no manager and put our eleven best players on the pitch and said play we would have no points now?im sure our captain would say otherwise Rafa has lost it and im afraid , Pako was the link between him and the players. Rafa distances himself and now that link has gone the players arnt performing for him any more.Our play is shambolic

When the players are actually out there on the pitch they know what to do , how to play , to communicate ,to cover each other.These things are bred into players.You think that players will just stand there and look stupid??Have you ever played the game?? It clearly looks to me like the players are simple not playing for Rafa any more .I dont know why but our performances suggest its true

Lets be honest 9 points out of 27 against a lot of mediocre teams. We all know roughly the best liverpool team if you just sent them out and said expresss yourselfs would we have had any less points ffs