Elisha_Scott

consistently slagged off his team mates, - show me a year by year breakdown of that consistent slagging or do you mean consistently for the last month or so of his career slagged off the club's fansslagged certain sections....rightly failed to keep his discipline on countless occasions preventing him from playing in his club's most imprtant game for 30 years. hadnt even signed for us at that point I'll take Stevie Me over him any day of the week-I'll take roys haul of league medals...nice f*** off to a Manc site, no need for you to get involved you busy c***.

I have dried up, off to bed now. Enjoy watching some f***wit debates over the next few months.

Rabanne?

Prepare to lose the will to live.

Yeah, and its pure luck that Ferguson and Wenger keep winning league titles, and just bad luck that England didn't qualify for the Euros etc,...... Bob Paisley was exremely lucky, whereas Mike Walker was unfortunate at Everton?!?!

f*** off, just saying.

You are insane.

It does though, the manager is responsible for what happens on the pitch.

What is?

How the players (team) preform on the pitch is ultimately down to the manager. Thats why we have a manager, and he loves all the plaudits for winning stuff, so he needs to take the flak for us being s*** currently.

He could have had Evra and Vidic, they were 12 million combined.

Precisely. He is not getting enough out of the players at his disposal.

Just because he has caused murder with the Yanks doesn't mean he gets extra time as manager, just look at the evidence before your eyes.

Mourinho would get more out of our current squad than Rafa is now, he is getting nothing out of them.

Forget mounting a challenge, we are in serious danger of becoming just another top 6 team at best.

I think you are spot on, Rafa complicates things unnecessarily at times.

And? Whats your point?

No leagues in 19 years and counting for us is a disgrace. Are you seriously questioning Fergusons ability as a manager? And by the way, they were banned for his first 5 years.

Refer to Cobs above.

No, I was responding to a point about the players needing a b******ing and some direction. But, yeah, a manager with 9? Leagues, numerous FA cups, and 1 European Cup would do me.

He hasn't bought Mascherano and am not sure its a wise 17 million. But, just think about whether you would genuinely trust him to spend the money wisely to replace him? 30 odd million is a lot and I am not convinced it would go on the right players.

No, what we need is a manager like Ferguson, not a player like Keane.

Being totally honest though, would you trust Rafa to spend £30 odd million quid wisely to replace him? I wouldnt.

silly debate, but why do you think that?

And its only down to our fans that he is help us as some sort of saviour, if we treated him as another player, we might appreciate what the f*** we have on our hands with him.