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Didnt' have time to go in the end. All the pupils in school are asking me if I can get them one! I'm gonna have to bulk order I reckon, will be good to spread the word though. Got a display up in my classroom now.

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Yeah I saw a few women selling some... don't think they were HJC ones... they were shouting out "2 for a fiver" or something..

 

Yea I saw them at the back of the Kop on Breck Road.

 

2 for a fiver? They were red and had LIVERPOOL on them :rolleyes:

 

The HJC are £1 each and are a worthy cause.

 

Seems everyone is cashing in on this now.

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What are the club playing at with these f?ckin new ?official? bands ? I was under the impression that the HFSG had been wound up, they then add this b?ollocks about them being the ?official? bands, aren?t the HJC entitled to be called ?official?.

 

I have just written a very strongly worded letter to Rick Parry, I am absolutely disgusted with the club over this

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Mottman, any chance you can confirm the postage date of mine for me???  It's already the 15th here in NZ and they hadn't arrived yesterday, usually takes about seven days in the post...

 

Got mine today, thanks. A couple of days late for the anniversary but it will jog a few memories at work tomorrow

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Out In the Cold - By Sandra Ireland

 

I am a shareholder. The behaviour of the Liverpool Board shames me. It acts in my name, and what it does is just the same as if I were doing it myself. How would you feel if persons you trusted to act on your behalf had, without your knowledge and certainly without your consent, behaved shamefully towards a respected, honoured group of people who had already suffered much? I hope you never find out, but I did in March 1999 when I was horrified to discover that the Board of LFC were totally refusing to deal with or even acknowledge the Hillsborough Justice Campaign. That stance is a continual source of distress to bereaved families and survivors who see, in the H.J.C., an organisation that they feel gives them the kind of help and support they so badly need. In October 1998, members of the H.J.C. met with Rick Parry to ask for recognition. They have had neither response nor acknowledgement from him or our club. I was so appalled that I wrote and spoke to Peter Robinson and Rick Parry, asking that the matter be referred to the Board. In May 1999, Mr Parry confirmed that the Board had decided to continue to ignore the H.J.C., while again not having the decency to advise them of this stance.

 

I could not believe that this shameful decision would be acceptable to other shareholders and I was determined to raise the matter at the Annual General Meeting. On a freezing cold December evening, Steve Dooling (a survivor) and John Glover (a bereaved father) stood outside Anfield, handing out leaflets asking shareholders to persuade the Board to deal decently with the H.J.C. It is sad that only ten years after Hillsborough, our club has no qualms whatsoever in freezing out a survivor and a bereaved father - indeed, reducing them to standing outside like outcasts or beggars, braving the elements. At the AGM, Peter Robinson answered on behalf of our club. And what an answer it was; astonishingly, on what anyone would surely understand to be a sensitive issue, his manner was aggressive, offensive and brutally dismissive. He said that this was not an appropriate matter for the AGM, and that our club could not be dealing with groups which were "springing up all over the place". He said they could not deal with two groups that had similar or overlapping views, and in any case he could not understand why the Family Support Group had split and why there had to be two groups anyway!

 

I felt I had to interrupt this flow of arrogant nonsense. I told him this was precisely an appropriate matter for the AGM, because it reflected on the good name of all shareholders and of our club. It was ridiculous to suggest that groups were springing up all over the place - this was clearly untrue, since there are only two. He knew perfectly well why the FSG split: because the Straw/Stuart Smith whitewash was the last straw for people who had long been calling for a proactive stance. He also knows full well that the two groups could not happily blend back together because the FSG had expelled the H.J.C.'s founder members! As for saying Liverpool FC was incapable of dealing with organisations of similar or overlapping views, they do this routinely every day as part of their normal business. In recent years, Liverpool games have been screened live by the BBC, ITV, Channel 5, SKY, Eurosport and numerous foreign networks - apparently, they can deal with different groups if there's money involved. Ignoring all of this, Robinson blithely restated the Club's position and, after a somewhat stunned silence, David Moores moved the meeting hastily on. No comment, no explanation. Despite Moores, Robinson and the rest of the Board clearly hoping the matter would go away, I was delighted to discover after the meeting that the views I expressed were shared by so many other shareholders present. I was with two members of the H.J.C - Sheila Coleman and the chairman Kevin Robinson, and throughout the remainder of the evening we were continuously approached by shareholders expressing their concern at the situation and their support for the H.J.C. - two were also survivors and they were particularly upset at the Board's stance.

 

 

Why has the present situation arisen? Why is the Board behaving so badly? All the H.J.C. are after is an avenue of dialogue with the club, space in the programme from time to time and basically to receive the same treatment that is afforded to the FSG. Oh, and a signed football - the club couldn't even give them that when asked. As several shareholders said, somewhat incredulously, "Is that all?" Yes, that's all - not a lot really, is it? Our club's rejection wounds and distresses members of the H.J.C. deeply. Its acceptance would mean a great deal. There is no difference between the bereaved of the FSG and the bereaved of the H.J.C. - they have all lost the people they loved. Why should only one group be welcome at Anfield? In October 1998, Rick Parry maintained Liverpool's impartiality; this does not square with the Board's current stance.

 

The H.J.C. have never asked our club for money - they are self-financed, well run and well managed. Volunteers do all this. They have a large and growing membership. They do proven excellent work. They have never insulted or attacked our club. I have heard nothing but silly and fatuous excuses from Rick Parry or Peter Robinson, and I am at a loss to understand why the Board has got itself into this position or what good they think it does our club. Peter Robinson has stated his concerns about the H.J.C. being "political" (whatever that may mean) - does that really excuse their refusal to deal with them? I seem to recall that at one of the Memorial Services at Anfield, Trevor Hicks said the Family Support Group intended to "remain within the political arena". Indeed, Phil Hammond once threatened to stand against George Howarth in Knowsley in protest at the Scrutiny/Whitewash. Since the FSG has on more than one occasion declared itself to be "political", and our club maintains a supportive relationship with them, why is this a perceived obstacle to a similar relationship with the H.J.C.?

 

What happens now? Well, after the AGM many angry shareholders said they would be contacting our club. David Moores said the Board would be discussing the issue again, so let's wait and see! What can you do? You could contact the H.J.C. or even join them - all are welcome. You could contact our club and tell them what you think. I know I've used that phrase throughout this article but that's what it is: our club. Board members come and go, but supporters are supporters for life. We are its' lifeblood and it ours'. Why should we allow any Bereaved Families or Survivors, who still suffer from injustices inflicted by those outside Anfield, to suffer more pain from further injustices inflicted by those inside Anfield?

 

After the 1999 AGM I decided on another plan of attack, and so on 16th January 2000 I wrote to Jules Burns, the Managing Director of Granada Productions who, because of Granada’s large shareholding, had a seat on the Board, to ask his help. It was a long letter (7 pages with enclosures being the HJC Aims and Objectives and the Message to All Shareholders which was prepared by the HJC and handed out to shareholders as they were going in to the 1999 AGM). The letter explained why I felt it necessary to raise the matter at the AGM, the nature of the HJC and its aims, and drew to his attention the tribute programme their Mr Andy Gill made following the death of Joey Glover (God rest his lovely soul).

 

I also drew to his attention the very great assistance the Glover family and Joey were to the Granada Media Group in the making of the award winning Jimmy McGovern programme. I wrote “ … I would earnestly urge you to look to the reputation of the Granada Media Group. I believe the Group is in danger of being seriously compromised given its previous sympathetic and positive treatment of a founder member of the HJC and the HJC itself last May, its close connections with the Glover family and the brutal treatment taking place in its name as a shareholder now.”

 

Exactly a month to the day, on 16th February Mr Burns wrote back saying, amongst other things “Andy Gill and his colleagues therefore do seek out comment and information from the HJC, as representative of some of the most closely affected parties, and will, no doubt, continue to do so as our coverage continues and follows the course of events.” He described my letter as “thoughtful”, said he was discussing my correspondence with the Club and said “that either Rick Parry and I will write to you again.” He has never written to me since.

 

On 14th April (yes, April) Rick Parry wrote to me and advised me that the Board had not changed its stance but that it had asked him to write to me explaining why that was the case. He said he was preparing a draft for approval by the Board and “then be adapted by the other Directors.”

 

On 16th May Rick Parry wrote back. The Board’s stance remained unchanged. Part of his letter read: “Now the HJC, which has similar objectives to the Hillsborough Family Support Group but very different strategies, is seeking formal acknowledgement or recognition by the Club. This poses two very real questions for the Club: How can it sensibly offer equal status to an emergent group, alongside an existing group in whom the Club retains confidence, when in practice the two will often be in conflict? It will inevitably follow that the Club becomes cast in the role of peacekeeper or arbitrator and it is hard to see of what possible benefit this is to victims. It will also create confusion and lead to a potential loss of public sympathy.

 

How many groups should be acknowledged in the way that you seek? Should the Club recognise every group with similar objectives but different approaches? Imagine the position if a third group emerges next year or even a fourth. Or, indeed if a number of individuals seek a similar acknowledgement of their positions. In giving careful consideration to these questions the Board has formed the view that the appropriate course is to acknowledgement one group.

 

It is unfortunate that two groups now exist but the Board has no wish to diminish, challenge or comment on the work of the HJC. Nor does it hold anything other than the utmost sympathy and respect for individual victims and their families.”

 

Realising it was pointless to argue that the Club has no problems dealing with a vast variety of agents, press and television companies and sponsors I made no reply.

 

However, determined not to let the matter rest, on 23rd August 2000 I wrote to Bryce Morrison saying that I wanted a formal item placed on the agenda for the forthcoming AGM proposing that the Club acknowledges and deals fully in all regards with the HJC, and asking his guidance as to how this should be done. I said I wanted the item to be on a free vote so proxies may speak, and said it was my intention to call John Glover together with others of the bereaved and survivors to speak. I also requested that a statement of my case be sent to all shareholders prior to the meeting so those unable to attend be enabled to nominate me as their proxy in the unfortunate case that the Board maintains its (in my view) untenable position.

 

Mr Morrison wrote back to me on 4th October saying that his legal advice was that it was possible for shareholders to move resolutions under Section 376 of the Companies Act and enclosing a copy of that Section. Six weeks notice had to be given and the relevant members had to pay a “sufficient sum to the company to meet the costs.” Reading the Section, I realised that there was no possible way to meet the requirements in time for the six weeks notice to be properly given. A kind person may have thought that Mr Morrison is a very busy man and it took time for him to obtain his legal advice. An unkind person may have thought that Mr Morrison ran me out of time. However, I realised that I should, in fact, save myself the trouble, as Mr Morrison then went on to say:

 

“I hope the above is helpful to you and whilst there appears to be a way in which you and other members could move a resolution, I would remind you that there are shareholders who hold between them shares representing more than one half of the total voting rights attaching to all shares, who have indicated to me that they would be likely to vote against such a resolution. I say this, not in an attempt to dissuade you from taking steps, but merely to ensure that you know what to expect.” Mr Moores holds 51% Granada holds 10%

 

So, come December, off I went to the AGM accompanied by Sheila Coleman and John and Teresa Glover as my proxies (Kevin Robinson was ill and unable to come). At the call for Any Other Business I was the first to speak. I reminded the meeting of the events of the AGM last year, and reminded them of the continuing excellent work of the HJC. I dealt at length with the matters contained in the letter from Rick Parry and then went on to advise them that I had tried to get an agenda item on for debate and the response I had received.

 

I reminded them of who the majority shareholders were, and advised them that I had with me a bereaved mother and father. I then walked directly in front of Mr Moores and asked him if he would now please tell John and Teresa why he personally refused to allow the Club to acknowledge the HJC, because his continued refusal was causing them pain. He stared at me and refused to answer. Now, I have to confess that many years ago, somebody said to me “You don’t DO anger management do you?” Two years of frustration of having my (sometimes pleading) correspondence ignored and being told absolute rubbish boiled over, and it was at this point that I shoved the microphone virtually up David Moores’ nose and shouted “Answer me, go on, answer” three times. (Sheila said afterwards that I sounded like Judge Judy - oh dear!). He looked at me like a cod on a fishmonger’s slab (or, as one Mr Steven Kelly put it, like a rabbit caught in the headlights) and still refused to answer. Someone said “Are you finished” and I said “For now”. I stood back and Rick Parry stood up and calmly announced that the stance of the Board was unchanged.

 

A terrible scream rang out. It was Teresa Glover, and she started to flee the room in tears. I dropped the microphone and rushed after her, narrowly missing tripping over Phil Thompson and Sammy Lee, their mouths agape in horror. I saw Teresa making for the door, faced by a steward with outstretched arms as if to grab hold of her. I yelled “Don’t you touch her. Don’t you dare touch her”. He dropped his arms and stood back, doubtless thinking “Sod this for £4.50 an hour”. Teresa stopped and I was able to coax her back to her seat in time to hear both John Glover and Sheila Coleman giving the Board the benefit of their views (and proxies aren’t allowed to speak - oh dear again). Unsurprisingly there was no other business, and the meeting closed. For the first time I can remember, Mr Moores and the Board did not come to the reception afterwards to mingle with the rabble (Mr Moores obviously deciding to drink like a fish and sweat like a pig elsewhere). Anyway, we all determinedly stayed at the reception to the bitter end, and then took ourselves back to Gerry McIver’s house where we told unsuitable jokes and did serious damage to his whisky. The best part of the entire night was Gerry saying of Teresa “You know, that’s the first time I’ve heard that poor woman laugh.” At the 2001 AGM, the minutes say, “However the Club was not prepared to tolerate the abuse and disorder of the last two years. …. The Chairman stressed that no further discussion on rival justice organisations or on topics outside Club or football matters would be heard.”

 

So there you are!

 

© Sandra Ireland 2001/2004

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I was very alarmed to lots of sellers around the ground selling red wristbands. I could be wrong but I don't think they were affiliated to the HJC.

I was even more alarmed to see our fans giving them business.

 

Every team has their own coloured wristband now. They were just Liverpool wristbands I think.

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I bought some new bands before the spurs game... as I had some from the original batch as well, I was surprised to see that the new bands (version 2) were orange.... does anyone know why? is it to distinguish them from the 'official' one being sold at the club? or by scammers outside the ground?

 

just a question really...

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I read in this months WSAG fanzine something about Blue Justice bands getting muted.

 

Anyone shed any light, if there is any on the subject?

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I read in this months WSAG fanzine something about Blue Justice bands getting muted.

 

Anyone shed any light, if there is any on the subject?

 

No idea?

 

Paypal orders from 14th April to date will be sent out during this week, thus bringing the Paypal orders up to date.

Cheque / Postal Orders, I think the last of the backlog for these were sent out last Friday, Cheques will be deposited within the next couple of days.

 

Those who "Pre-booked" and paid at the HJC shop, these are also up to date and every order have now been sent out.

 

I'd estimate that around 15,000 bands from the second order of 20,000 bands have now been despatched leaving around 5,000 available for sale. Suitable quantities will be available at the HJC shop before any of our remaining home games, or for as long as supplies last.

 

At this stage its uncertain if another reorder will be made, I'll update you on this as soon as I hear anything.

 

If you are after a HJC band, I'd recommend you place your order as soon as possible to avoid disappointment.

 

Thank you

 

Robbie

 

 

http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/

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No idea?

 

Paypal orders from 14th April to date will be sent out during this week, thus bringing the Paypal orders up to date.

Cheque / Postal Orders, I think the last of the backlog for these were sent out last Friday, Cheques will be deposited within the next couple of days.

 

Those who "Pre-booked" and paid at the HJC shop, these are also up to date and every order have now been sent out.

 

I'd estimate that around 15,000 bands from the second order of 20,000 bands have now been despatched leaving around 5,000 available for sale. Suitable quantities will be available at the HJC shop before any of our remaining home games, or for as long as supplies last.

 

At this stage its uncertain if another reorder will be made, I'll update you on this as soon as I hear anything.

 

If you are after a HJC band, I'd recommend you place your order as soon as possible to avoid disappointment.

 

Thank you

 

Robbie

http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/

 

I'm going to need some more. My mate plays for Nuneaton Borough and he's wearing his but some of their players want some, a couple of scousers there as well.

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How can I place an order for one of these?

 

Couldn't see anything at the start of the thread.  Maybe I'm going mad...

 

 

 

 

 

 

The price of the bands are £1, but if you would also like to make a donation to the HJC, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

The bands will be available from the shop, but for those who are unable to make it to the shop, you can send a cheque/postal order made out to The "Hillsborough Justice Campaign". Make sure you include an extra £1 for postage and packaging if your in the UK and £2 if your outside the UK. To make the order process as quick as possible, you can send orders to Gerry's home address as he will be able to process orders straight away

 

The address to send it to

 

Gerry McIver

6 Boycott Street

Everton

Liverpool

L5 6RU

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Got mine today great work all:) Great for spreading the word here in New Zealand where unfortunately knowledge of the Hillsbrough Disaster is practically nil. Hope to change that:)

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Guest Barney Boots

Anybody know roughly how long these take to arrive as I ordered 2 over the weekend through the HJC PayPAl account ?

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Hi

 

I ordered four bands through paypal on the 9th April 2005 and am still waiting for delivery, any idea on how long it may take?

 

 

i can be reached on

 

shaunmandale@hotmail.com

 

cheers

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Robbie

 

Can you confirm what date you are up to with paypal orders?

 

cheers

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I paid for a band on 21 Jan via Paypal. I £1 for each of the band and postage and a small contribution to HJC. I have heard nothing since.

 

I have just emailed Peter Evo who says he is not dealing with old orders but only those from new buyers ahead of Wednesday.

 

Can you let me know when I can expect to receive the band?

 

Thanks

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Stom,

 

You should have received yours by now, can you drop me a e-mal at mottman@hotmail.com with the payment details and your full name and address details mate and I'll sort for you.

 

The 3rd batch of bands has now been delivered, please bear with us and we will try our very best to clear the backlog of orders ASAP. A "few" hundred" orders are already in the postal system as we speak with many more to follow.

 

Please bear with us and we'll try and get out as many as we can in the near future.

 

Thank you

 

Robbie

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