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4 minutes ago, Hightown Phil said:

And if they don't? If we drop to outside the top four next season it isn't because we didn't sign a couple of players this summer, it's because something has gone seriously wrong and we'd need a new manager. 

Well if we get an injury to Mane or Mo for a lengthy period and rely on Origi then it could be highly likely we drop out of top 4

I am merely highlighting the weakness in the team and where we need to strengthen. Mane, Bobby and Mo have been pushed to the limit for 2 seasons solid now... The fact they have lasted so far without injury is a miracle with the amount of games they play and the level they play at 

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4 minutes ago, Sion said:

Feel like we're destined to repeat this same argument where Phil defends FSG being tight a*** from a different person each day until 10 October or whenever it is. 

 

 

I'm just fascinated why people think they're wrong and other people are right and no one's seemed to managed to explain yet, so I'll probably keep querying it until someone can. 

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4 minutes ago, Barnesy_10 said:

Well if we get an injury to Mane or Mo for a lengthy period and rely on Origi then it could be highly likely we drop out of top 4

I am merely highlighting the weakness in the team and where we need to strengthen. Mane, Bobby and Mo have been pushed to the limit for 2 seasons solid now... The fact they have lasted so far without injury is a miracle with the amount of games they play and the level they play at 

We wouldn't win the league, we'd still fairly easily come top 4. 

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20 minutes ago, Hightown Phil said:

I'm just fascinated why people think they're wrong and other people are right and no one's seemed to managed to explain yet, so I'll probably keep querying it until someone can. 

The point is that everyone can see perfectly understandable reasons not to spend money this summer but given that they have found a reason not to spend their own money every year since their arrival, it is reasonable to wonder whether in this instance it is a convenient excuse. It feels like you have found a way to excuse their thriftiness every single time, from saying there is no point buying back up full backs to saying we shouldn't spend much on a keeper as they only affect 9% of the pitch or something. Surely there must come a time when you would concede they need to do more if they genuinely want to keep us at the top?

If they had invested last year, many more would understand them taking a cautious approach this. When they are as tight as this, there are still legitimate questions to be asked. At the moment, their business model depends entirely on a once in a generation manager to be successful.

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1 hour ago, Hightown Phil said:

I'm not sure it should stop being ok because of the behaviour of others. It's either ok or it isn't, and for me doesn't really change from one to another because another club is happy to play the Hicks and Gillett game. 

 

 

What other clubs are doing does have an effect on us like.

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7 minutes ago, Kvarme Ate My Food said:

What other clubs are doing does have an effect on us like.

It does, but it doesn't mean they're right and we're wrong, and nor does it mean they're wrong and we're right. I'm happy to accept that I don't know who's right cos everyone is guessing at multiple different things - I'm just a bit confused as to how people are so vehement in their belief that what we're doing is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, psl said:

The point is that everyone can see perfectly understandable reasons not to spend money this summer but given that they have found a reason not to spend their own money every year since their arrival, it is reasonable to wonder whether in this instance it is a convenient excuse. It feels like you have found a way to excuse their thriftiness every single time, from saying there is no point buying back up full backs to saying we shouldn't spend much on a keeper as they only affect 9% of the pitch or something. Surely there must come a time when you would concede they need to do more if they genuinely want to keep us at the top?

If they had invested last year, many more would understand them taking a cautious approach this. When they are as tight as this, there are still legitimate questions to be asked. At the moment, their business model depends entirely on a once in a generation manager to be successful.

They did put in cash since their initial investment, around 2013 they injected about £40m (we were using the loan market around this time with Sahin, Cissokho, Moses) and then for the stadium they injected £60m in 2016 resulting in their loans touching nearly £130m. As of today, their loans are down to around £80m (or lower).

They have capacity to invest more. The commercialisation of the club has been significantly improved and the team has won 2 major trophies to propel that, and the balance sheet is the strongest since they took over. We are a club in a relatively good position to deal with having no matchday revenue. Will that lead to significant investment - I think they have finances to make a decent sized purchase provided the player is coming in on decent wages. It must be a headache though to have debt sitting on the balance sheet for the stadium expansion and now those cashflows are gone for an undetermined period.

 

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46 minutes ago, Hightown Phil said:

We wouldn't win the league, we'd still fairly easily come top 4. 

You defend FSG for not spending money for a second year running because the current financial situation is unclear, yet you blindly assume we’ll easily come top 4 when it’s pretty clear our rivals are going to spend big improving their squads? All it will take is an injury or 2 to our main players and I think we’ll struggle because the squad isn’t good enough.

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9 minutes ago, Hightown Phil said:

It does, but it doesn't mean they're right and we're wrong, and nor does it mean they're wrong and we're right. I'm happy to accept that I don't know who's right cos everyone is guessing at multiple different things - I'm just a bit confused as to how people are so vehement in their belief that what we're doing is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

 

 

I think they’re looking at the footballers we have trying to make sure that they can win the competitions we enter

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6 minutes ago, Stevie said:

You defend FSG for not spending money for a second year running because the current financial situation is unclear, yet you blindly assume we’ll easily come top 4 when it’s pretty clear our rivals are going to spend big improving their squads? All it will take is an injury or 2 to our main players and I think we’ll struggle because the squad isn’t good enough.

If we were awarded 2 points for a win instead of 3 points for a win we'd have still come second. That's why I 'blindly assume it', cos we're absolutely head and shoulders above. 

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10 minutes ago, Hightown Phil said:

If we were awarded 2 points for a win instead of 3 points for a win we'd have still come second. That's why I 'blindly assume it', cos we're absolutely head and shoulders above. 

This season we were and we’ve been lucky with injuries.

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Just now, Stevie said:

This season we were.

Well yeah, it's a good gauge of how good we are, and how good they are and the vast difference in quality and how much needs to happen for there to be parity between the two things, let alone them get above us. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Stevie said:

This season we were and we’ve been lucky with injuries.

What is lucky?

We lost our keeper for a good while. We have had a CB out for a long period . Fabinho was out as well.

We have bought someone to cover Bobby if he is out.

So what do we actually need cover for , Mane and  Salah?

I do think we need reinforcements but our squad is actually pretty good as it is.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, downunder said:

What is lucky?

We lost our keeper for a good while. We have had a CB out for a long period . Fabinho was out as well.

We have bought someone to cover Bobby if he is out.

So what do we actually need cover for , Mane and  Salah?

I do think we need reinforcements but our squad is actually pretty good as it is.  

 

 

We were lucky that none of Van Dijk, Robertson, Trent, Mane, Salah or Firmino were injured for long periods.

Maybe luck isn't quite the word as we seem to be good at signing durable players but it's not something we can take for granted.

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Olympiakos-Tsimikas: The developments in the case of the transfer of Kostas Tsimikas from Olympiakos to Liverpool are cataclysmic.

According to information from England, the champions made a new improved proposal and it is a breath of fresh air from the acquisition of the 24-year-old international back.

Excellent use of 'cataclysmic.' 

f***ed that quote up and can't fix it.

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Just now, charlie clown said:

Talk us through those actions.

If we legitimise owners putting money in to the club to buy players with I don't think it can be anything but a negative for us in the long term and a precursor to a battle we absolutely won't win. 

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51 minutes ago, psl said:

We were lucky that none of Van Dijk, Robertson, Trent, Mane, Salah or Firmino were injured for long periods.

Maybe luck isn't quite the word as we seem to be good at signing durable players but it's not something we can take for granted.

Has any team won the title without their core players being mostly fit for the season? Who’s messi’s backup? 
 

not saying we don’t need a deeper squad - clearly we do. I don’t believe the current squad I’d 5th placed though - even if we have 2-3 major injuries. 
 

it’s not a coincidence the only major transfers so far are Chelsea and city. 2 clubs who don’t operate in means. 

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1 minute ago, growler said:

Has any team won the title without their core players being mostly fit for the season? Who’s messi’s backup? 
 

not saying we don’t need a deeper squad - clearly we do. I don’t believe the current squad I’d 5th placed though - even if we have 2-3 major injuries. 

City without de Bruyne?

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