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Agree with Al on this cricket in India can be incredibly boring.

 

They are also able to doctor wickets to suit the home side at will. When tendulkar was chasing his 100th hundred you should have seen the flat tracks they were preparing for him.

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So does every other team.

 

 

 

Bulls***.

 

Other teams don't do it to the extent India do its well known in international circles and it is correct regarding Tendulkar was starting to get embarrassing the number of dead pitches were being dolled out for him

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Other teams don't do it to the extent India do its well known in international circles and it is correct regarding Tendulkar was starting to get embarrassing the number of dead pitches were being dolled out for him

 

Any online links from relevant people with regards to flat pitches being made to help Sachin get to his 100th 100?

 

I've never seen a pitch in Sri Lanka that has been anything but slow and low. Same in Bangladesh. Same in Australia, except for Sydney which has traditionally had something for the spinners. The test wickets in India get better seam bowling wise the more north you go but they've always traditionally been good wickets to bat on for the first three days and then break up immensely over the course of the fourth. Its a problem which has resulted in the sheer lack of quality pacemen but it stems from the Ranji wickets not being seamer friendly, which obviously is a problem from a selfish reason of not seeing many good pace bowlers for the country and the batsman struggling on bouncy wickets.

 

But saying other teams dont do it as much is simply biased opinion portrayed as fact. Well known within international circles? Again, links?

 

EDIT: This, I'd say is a fair opinion on doctored pitches from Bhogle.

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So the best case scenario they're looking at are draws, correct? A flat pitch aimed at the batting team India hoping to hit 600.

 

In the last three years, India has hosted 15 tests. 11 of those had results with 4 draws.

Any wins for the team batting second?

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Any online links from relevant people with regards to flat pitches being made to help Sachin get to his 100th 100?

 

I've never seen a pitch in Sri Lanka that has been anything but slow and low. Same in Bangladesh. Same in Australia, except for Sydney which has traditionally had something for the spinners. The test wickets in India get better seam bowling wise the more north you go but they've always traditionally been good wickets to bat on for the first three days and then break up immensely over the course of the fourth. Its a problem which has resulted in the sheer lack of quality pacemen but it stems from the Ranji wickets not being seamer friendly, which obviously is a problem from a selfish reason of not seeing many good pace bowlers for the country and the batsman struggling on bouncy wickets.

 

But saying other teams dont do it as much is simply biased opinion portrayed as fact. Well known within international circles? Again, links?

 

EDIT: This, I'd say is a fair opinion on doctored pitches from Bhogle.

Perth slow & low?

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FWIW, the batting average is the highest in India than the others. But that doesnt prove much as the results column is on par compared to the others as well with a draw every 4 games.

 

Seven out of the eleven result tests in India, in the last 3 years have been to teams batting second, Cobs. Thats a surprising stat.

 

Perth slow & low?

 

No, I meant pitches that have been behaving the same way traditionally as well as favoring the home team.

 

Should've read through what I'd written before posting!

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The advantage most other sides get is the fact they are playing in their home conditions and are therefore more used to them than touring teams.

 

Can you imagine the ECB going to the Warwickshire groundsman and saying "make it as green as possible we are going to play 4 seamers". Can't imagine it in today's game. In England for example usually the team is selected on a hunch of what the pitch might be like and a final decision is made on the morning of the test after an inspection from the captain.

 

In India however the selectors already know the pitch that is going to be prepared as the groundsman has already been briefed.

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In India however the selectors already know the pitch that is going to be prepared as the groundsman has already been briefed.

 

 

That would be under consideration if the wickets were less spin friendly for the Ranji games but different from how they'd normally behave for the internationals. But thats just not the case.

 

Ganguly, when captain, had an issue or two with ground staff when he tried to asked them to generate pitches that would break up earlier than usual but the groundsman said no. Think this was Nagpur and Saurav ended up sitting out that game citing 'injury'. So yeah, the pitches in India need to be more seamer friendly so that we can develop our own quality pacemen but that has little to do with groundsmen getting briefed for internationals.

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So does every other team.

 

 

 

Bulls***.

Indians not only doctor their pitches but force weaker nations to doctor their home pitches as well..

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/391978.html

 

When India last toured New Zealand, in December 2002, we stitched them up all right. They were known for their weakness in seamer-friendly conditions, and they got green ones to play on all right.

 

Little did we know that the boss, Indian cricket, was not impressed, We had embarrassed this powerful cricket nation, and in particular what they were most proud of - their top six batsmen. They were dispatched and sent packing. They were laughed at, ridiculed, and their bravery brought into question.

 

That was six years ago and we have not seen them back until now, and so it comes as no surprise that recently comments have been made by the tourists about the difficulties this grass-loving country poses for a batsman, because all but one of the above batting greats are back for another crack.

 

However Messrs Tendulkar, Dravid and Co can rest easy this time round because I can almost guarantee conditions will be vastly different. Why? Well, because New Zealanders and New Zealand cricket understand who pays the wages nowadays and this tour for the Black Caps is very much the scenario of playing your boss at golf. You need to put up a good account for yourself if you want to get the desired invite again. However, if you are going to win you don't want to stuff him out of sight in some sort of perceived under-handed manner. If you do win, do so in a manner that allows the boss to retain some sort of dignity, and if you lose, make sure he felt the engagement worthy of his time. That way you may just get the invite to join the country club.

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