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What kind of sick f***s can do something like this to their own child ?

 

 

 

 

 

Her poetry captured something more profound and deadly than the normal angst-ridden teenage yearnings for freedom.

 

“I don’t pretend like we’re the perfect family no more, desire to live is burning, my stomach is turning, but all they think about is honour,” wrote Shafilea Ahmed before being murdered by her controlling parents and her body dumped in a remote riverbank where it was hoped it would never be found.

 

 

But though she was popular, clever, conscientious and ambitious, it was not enough for Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed. They subjected their eldest daughter to sustained campaign of domestic violence in a bid to crush her independence, limit her movements and her friends.

 

 

 

On that night, following yet another row over clothes, boys, and her continued refusal to be cowed into an arranged marriage with a Pakistani stranger, her father forced a carrier bag into her mouth egged on by his wife who urged him to “just finish it here”.

 

The taxi driver, then bound his daughter’s asphyxiated body in black plastic bags and drove up the M6 to Cumbria where he hid it at the first likely spot he could find before returning to his family.

 

 

 

 

Detectives rejected claims they were stereotyping the family when they questioned them over Shafilea’s disappearance believing her another victim of honour based violence.

 

The Ahmeds repeatedly made the claim, most spectacularly when they stormed uninvited into a police press conference to tearfully suggest, via their lawyer, that they were the victims of racism.

 

 

 

Shafilea had been missing several times before including in February 2003 when she was away for a week and sought help from social services.

 

In her statement for emergency accommodation the teenager described being subjected to domestic abuse since the age of 15 in which “one parent would hold me whilst the other would hit me” and how she was regularly prevented from going to college or her part time job.

 

But despite her pleas to be given a one bedroom flat in the hope that the involvement of social workers and police would convince her parents to leave her alone, she returned home accompanied by her father insisting everything had been worked out.

 

 

That poor kid.

 

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/shafilea-ahmeds-poetry-captured-something-more-profound-and-deadly-than-normal-teenage-angst-8005400.html

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This is the bottom issue, the inherent inequalities and utter sexism, if not total domination, towards women, based on man's interpretation of a religious novel.

 

haha.. Its amazing you had to bring religion into it because religion has nothing to do with honour killings plus the religious text do not even subtly suggest forced marriage. Please clue yourself up before going on a anti-religion crusade

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It's not about religion it's about culture. It's not uncommon for such honour killings to take place where the girl has chosen someone from a different caste let alone religion.

 

It's an unfortunate common trait from the sub continent.

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So, the caste system and subsequent strict "morals" weren't based on brahminical texts which has suffused through to Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and Christians on the Indian sub-continent?

 

Which do you think came first, the will to organise society along class or caste lines or the religious instruments to do it?

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Which do you think came first, the will to organise society along class or caste lines or the religious instruments to do it?

Both based on so-called "morals". Those with the power to create a structure to fit their ends then religion or philisophy conveniently entrenching the whole process.

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Both based on so-called "morals". Those with the power to create a structure to fit their ends then religion or philisophy conveniently entrenching the whole process.

 

 

You don't go in much for personal responsibility for crimes like these then?

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You don't go in much for personal responsibility for crimes like these then?

Of course I do, but these people believed they were doing the right thing, not a crime, my point is, how is this perceived wisdom of moral rectitude passed on from generation to generation without people beginning to think, hold on, this isn't right?

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You don't go in much for personal responsibility for crimes like these then?

 

Exactly Duncan is having a mare here.

 

I know loads of people who had a lot of grief from their parents as they wanted to marry out of their caste (in some cases their parents didn't speak to them for years) but their parents didn't go and try and bump them off.

 

Those who carry out these so called honour killings are complete fruit loops.

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Did you not read my most recent post then? Responsibility for one's actions yes, but these f***wits believe they're doing the right thing.

 

So did the guy who killed over 70 people in Norway. What's your f***ibg point? As I said they are bloody fruit loops if it wasn't their culture they used as a device to kill it would have been something else instead.

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Of course I do, but these people believed they were doing the right thing, not a crime, my point is, how is this perceived wisdom of moral rectitude passed on from generation to generation without people beginning to think, hold on, this isn't right?

 

 

They didn't think they were committing a crime?

 

Are you serious?

 

Can you give us any clues as to why they immediately hid the body and covered up what they had done then?

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They didn't think they were committing a crime?

 

Are you serious?

 

Can you give us any clues as to why they immediately hid the body and covered up what they had done then?

 

I'm guessing that what he meant was that they didn't think it should be a crime because they believed what they did was right - which may or may not be true I suppose.

 

Islam may also have played a part in their self-justification - but then it also seems to play a part in Mo Farah being a decent lad (which ironically I think DD amongst others was praising him for in the Olympics thread) so as ever the problem isn't so much with the tenets of the faith as with the individual believer.

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I'm guessing that what he meant was that they didn't think it should be a crime because they believed what they did was right - which may or may not be true I suppose.

 

Islam may also have played a part in their self-justification - but then it also seems to play a part in Mo Farah being a decent lad (which ironically I think DD amongst others was praising him for in the Olympics thread) so as ever the problem isn't so much with the tenets of the faith as with the individual believer.

 

 

He's imagining they think this, which is up to him if it fit some sorts of theory he holds about Islam but it isn't very cool.

 

In reality, I don't expect they ran down the mosque to show everyone what a brilliant thing they had done either. In fact, every single aspect of the case I've seen seems to suggest they would rather nobody knew they had killed their daughter at all.

 

Imo, no religion would spread very far or attract all that many converts (especially women) if it appeared to give the thumbs up to doing in your kids if you feel like it. Someone would say something.

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Imo, no religion would spread very far or attract all that many converts (especially women) if it appeared to give the thumbs up to doing in your kids if you feel like it. Someone would say something.

How long were priests abusing children in the Catholic Church?

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How long were priests abusing children in the Catholic Church?

 

 

That sounds like it's got Frankie Boyle written all over it.

 

Now, the thing is, I just don't want DD to go round torturing himself with this knowledge he's got that your average, or even a proportion, let's be honest any of the muslims he sees while he is doing his rounds are going round thinking it would be nobody's business but theirs if they went home and stuffed a plastic bag down the throat of their teenage child until they suffocated and then dumped the body in the woods if they couldn't get their own way. Because really it's DD that is missing out here if he considers himself to be amongst so many potentially cold hearted killers.

 

Do you know what I mean?

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kop205 said it better than I could and, BTW, I haven't singled out Islam, this couple happen to be Muslim, but it's the whole religion thing I have an issue with. Of course religion can and does nurture the good in people too, shouldn't require a set of tenets or a belief system to do this though.

 

Re: Mo Farah, didn't know or care what his religion might be, he's obviously a decent and humble guy who I was delighted for.

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kop205 said it better than I could and, BTW, I haven't singled out Islam, this couple happen to be Muslim, but it's the whole religion thing I have an issue with. Of course religion can and does nurture the good in people too, shouldn't require a set of tenets or a belief system to do this though.

 

No, nor does it require a set of tenets or a belief system to do incredibly bad things like the case in question.

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No, nor does it require a set of tenets or a belief system to do incredibly bad things like the case in question.

That was my point earlier too. Same applies here in Norn Iron, although it's more a case of greying the beliefs of religion and nationalism/unionism, but the catholic/protestant thing caused the reprehensible deaths of people just because they happened to have been born into the "wrong" religion.

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That was my point earlier too. Same applies here in Norn Iron, although it's more a case of greying the beliefs of religion and nationalism/unionism, but the catholic/protestant thing caused the reprehensible deaths of people just because they happened to have been born into the "wrong" religion.

 

Yet your first contribution to this thread put their religion at the centre of your condemnation.

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