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Sorry for starting a new thread, not sure its applicable to other Golf ones anyhoos??

 

I recently got a new phone and downloaded a GPS App for Golf, I have an old GPS thing that I used before but the one on the phone was superior (and free )

Anyways I was scheduled to play at another course yesterday with a work mate who plays off 5 and he informed me that said apps were illegal and I would be disqualified if I used it.

I went on to R&A website to check.

 

R&A

 

I took it from the flowchart that my phone App was ok?? But to be on the safe side didnt use it.

He sent my link to his clubs committee and has retorted with the following from Englang Golf.

 

MEN’S CHAMPIONSHIP COMMITTEE

GUIDANCE ON DISTANCE MEASURING DEVICES (“DMDs”)

This paper aims to help Clubs and their members understand the rather complicated

rules on DMDs. Technology changes rapidly and the interpretation of associated

Rules also evolves. The following guidance reflects the ‘state of play’ at the time of

writing. The guidance assumes a DMD is being used in competition.

1. Local Rule. You cannot use a DMD in competition at your Club unless the Club

has introduced a Local Rule allowing DMDs. The Club should use the wording on

page 136 of the new (2012-15) Rule Book. If your Club has introduced the Local

Rule, it cannot then restrict the type of DMD you can use e.g. the Club cannot

prevent mobile phones being used as DMDs (but see 6 below). If your DMD

‘conforms’, you can use it.

2. A ‘conforming’ DMD measures distance only. If your DMD can also give you

information on other conditions which might affect your play, it doesn’t conform

and the penalty is disqualification, even if you didn’t use that information.

3. Non-conforming features. If your DMD has e.g. a compass, spirit level or can

gauge temperature or wind speed, the penalty is disqualification. Again, it

doesn’t matter whether or not you have actually used those features. Most

‘usual’ DMDs are fine e.g. GPS type DMDs or optical rangefinders because (or if)

they only measure distance. However, be careful, some optical models can

measure ‘slope’. If yours can, it doesn’t conform and the penalty is

disqualification.

4. Watches. Some DMDs can be worn on the wrist. If it also tells the time, that’s

fine! No special rules here. You can wear a DMD on your wrist, on your belt,

round your neck (!), carry it in your pocket, hang it on your bag or attach it to

your trolley. However, it mustn’t have a non-conforming feature, even if you

don’t use it or it’s switched off. If it does have one, it’s a ‘DQ’.

5. Trolleys. Some have built-in DMDs. Not a problem as such. But, it mustn’t

have any non-conforming features (see 3 above). Some do. However, many

modern ones can be switched to “competition mode”. That’s fine. Alternatively,

England Golf accepts that if the non-conforming features – or displays – are

“taped over” so they can’t be seen, that’s also fine. If there is evidence that,

during a round, the trolley is switched back to “non-competition mode” or the

tape covering a non-conforming feature is taken off so the “illegal” information

can be seen, you’ll face disqualification.

6. Mobile phones used as DMDs. Be very, very careful! Many people download

a DMD “App” on to their phones. In itself, not a problem. The problem is this: If

your phone has any other features or Apps which don’t conform and the phone is

used as a DMD, you will be disqualified whether or not such features or Apps are

used. Just having one on the phone makes the use of that phone as a DMD

“illegal”. The owner may not realise it but many mobile phones have, for

instance, a compass or spirit level as a feature. If your phone has a weather App

or facility which gauges actual temperature or wind speed, it’s a disqualification.

Again, it doesn’t matter whether that feature or App is used or not. It’s worth

quoting from the England Golf Men’s “Hard Card” (Standard Local Rules etc.):

“Advice on the use of mobile phones as a distance measuring device:

Because of problems over whether a particular phone conforms to the Local Rule

and, therefore, to protect players from the risk of disqualification, (England Golf)

strongly recommends that mobile phones are not used as distance measuring

devices”.

7. Mobile phones used as phones. Clubs may not restrict the type of DMD a

player uses, as long as it is a conforming DMD (1 above). However, a Club can

have a “regulation” on using phones – as phones. England Golf has the following

regulation:

“Mobile phones (including pagers and similar devices): May not be used on

the course (including on practice days) by players or caddies for making/sending

or receiving calls or texts, except in cases of emergency”.

England Golf would take disciplinary action against a player for breach of this

regulation. England Golf is very happy for players to carry mobile phones in

their golf bags, so that, if there is an emergency, they can phone the office, pro

shop, emergency service etc.

8. Other playing “aids”. If your DMD has a feature or App which helps you, for

instance, read/gauge/measure the slope on a green (such Apps can be

downloaded on to some mobile phones), then, whether or not that feature or App

is used, the penalty is disqualification.

England Golf Men’s Championship Committee.

May 2012

References:

 Rule 14-3 and the Note at the end of this Rule

 Specimen Local Rule on page 136 of the Rule Book

 Appendix IV on Distance Measuring Devices, page 162 of the Rule Book

 England Golf Men’s “Hard Card”, Local Rule 10 (The Hard Card can be viewed

at and downloaded from England Golf’s website, under the ‘Championships’

section)

 R&A’s “The Rules Regarding Distance Measuring Devices” (can be viewed at

and downloaded from the R&A’s website. Contains a very useful flowchart)

 

 

Its as clear as mud!!!!

 

So is it a yes or a no??

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I'd say it was pretty clear from that - rule 1 states, quite clearly, that they are illegal unless the club you are playing at allows them in which case they need to have wording and descriptions that follow the conventions laid out in laws 2-8 which are there to assist with the understanding and termionology of those local club-specific rules.

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Why do you need to measure a putt? Can't you sort of see with your eyes how far away the ball is from the hole and then hit it with the appropriate amount of welly? How many other sports require you to get a tape measure out before you have a go?

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I always pace out a putt to mesure it - I can;t see you'd need any more than that - but that's not why people use the GPSs, it's more for approach shots that they come into their own, and of course they are only any use if you can consistently hit to and exact and consistent length anyway.

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Why do you need to measure a putt? Can't you sort of see with your eyes how far away the ball is from the hole and then hit it with the appropriate amount of welly? How many other sports require you to get a tape measure out before you have a go?

Some of us play on courses that dont have windmills....

 

I'd say it was pretty clear from that - rule 1 states, quite clearly, that they are illegal unless the club you are playing at allows them in which case they need to have wording and descriptions that follow the conventions laid out in laws 2-8 which are there to assist with the understanding and termionology of those local club-specific rules.

But if the course has a local rule where normal ones are allowed ??

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But if the course has a local rule where normal ones are allowed ??

 

Then you follow the local rules - but as that only applies for competition rounds anyway, I don't see that it makes much difference, the ruels you uoted sounds as if they apply to competition rounds only and where there are exceptions to that (the use of mobile phones bit) again, it refers to local rules. I just don't see what's difficult to understand....

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I always pace out a putt to mesure it - I can;t see you'd need any more than that - but that's not why people use the GPSs, it's more for approach shots that they come into their own, and of course they are only any use if you can consistently hit to and exact and consistent length anyway.

 

 

Sweet Jesus I've followed people like you around the golf course!

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Then you follow the local rules - but as that only applies for competition rounds anyway, I don't see that it makes much difference, the ruels you uoted sounds as if they apply to competition rounds only and where there are exceptions to that (the use of mobile phones bit) again, it refers to local rules. I just don't see what's difficult to understand....

The problem is that local rules are ambiguous, the committee of the club I was playing at were ok with normal ones but not sure on the one on mobiles??

Its only competitions I am interested in, if my mates tried to disqualify me during a bounce game I would knock them out. :bleh:

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The problem is that local rules are ambiguous, the committee of the club I was playing at were ok with normal ones but not sure on the one on mobiles??

Its only competitions I am interested in, if my mates tried to disqualify me during a bounce game I would knock them out. :bleh:

 

Well, I guess the simple thing to do under those circs is to point the club at the guidelines you[ve quoted where it says that it's their responsibility to clarify that for you, and if they haven't then it means you're not breaking the rules.

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If you are going to use GPS to decide how far away from the hole you are, you might as well stay at home and use the Wii/Xbox.

 

Is that what you tell the Pro's? They've got a walking, talking GPS with them that gets 10% of their winnings. If the Caddy hasn't got the right yardages in their little black book (which the Pro consults all through their round) they'll find themselves unemployed.

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Is that what you tell the Pro's? They've got a walking, talking GPS with them that gets 10% of their winnings. If the Caddy hasn't got the right yardages in their little black book (which the Pro consults all through their round) they'll find themselves unemployed.

 

So they aren't using electronic gadgets then? :unsure:

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Well if I was Luke Donald I'd save about £1 m of winnings and splash out £300 or so on a GPS system. ;)

 

You were the one suggesting people who needed accurate yardages should stay at home and play on the Wii.

 

If you were Luke Donald you wouldn't be saying stupid things about golf.

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The pros are not allowed them. The course next to the one I played had a prestigious comp on yesterday and they are only allowed to use the range finder ones not the gps???

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You were the one suggesting people who needed accurate yardages should stay at home and play on the Wii.

 

If you were Luke Donald you wouldn't be saying stupid things about golf.

 

:lol: you're the one suggesting caddies get 10% of a pro's winning simply for reading yardages from a little black book.

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