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I’m genuinely pleased for you that you can find this additional source of jubilation/vindication it must be like winning the league twice 

Who cares really. I don’t even think of them. Which is probably a sign of decent owners tbf. Dunno why anyone is thinking of them right now mind. 

Win the league for the first time in 30 years and straight to this thread to claim credit for FSG or claim credit for liking them more than anyone else. I mean... sure, if you want.  

Exactly - the market has picked up and we have Billy Hogan and Olly Dale working for us now.

 

Our deals are not ahead of what anyone else is getting.

 

But still people claim Ian Ayre has made some dramatic improvement on that side of the business.

 

It just doesn't add up for me. I've said for a while that my one significant reservation about FSG is their continued support for Ian Ayre.

 

I think Ayre was a dramatic improvement on the previous situation of Parry doing everything himself, and therefore not doing much. I guess people are still comparing with 10 years ago.

 

I completely agree about FSG's continual employment of Ayre. After RFH, Evra-gate, Chang, too many transfer failures and fiascos to count and just an general dearth of success, you'd think they try something different. If we were innovative and leading the way commercially, I would understand, but as you say we are not.

 

I used to think it was linked to the renewal of the Standard Chartered deal, but again, that wasn't anything special.

 

I am now thinking it's just apathy.

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I think Ayre was a dramatic improvement on the previous situation of Parry doing everything himself, and therefore not doing much. I guess people are still comparing with 10 years ago.

 

I completely agree about FSG's continual employment of Ayre. After RFH, Evra-gate, Chang, too many transfer failures and fiascos to count and just an general dearth of success, you'd think they try something different. If we were innovative and leading the way commercially, I would understand, but as you say we are not.

 

I used to think it was linked to the renewal of the Standard Chartered deal, but again, that wasn't anything special.

 

I am now thinking it's just apathy.

 

I agree with all that up till the last bit - they aren't apathetic about their investment.

He based them there?

 

He's a pretty persuasive kind of guy. :D

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I agree with all that up till the last bit - they aren't apathetic about their investment.

 

 

More that it's probably really hard to replace Ayre. You have to find a replacement (which they've failed to do publicly at least twice, but more wouldn't surprise me) and then you have to get rid of Ayre and hand over, which given the fact that he seems to be the only senior figure at the club based in Liverpool, I would guess would be difficult.

 

They've had ideal opportunities to do it, when they first came, and again each time they promoted him from acting MD, to MD to CEO. But each time they've took the easy option.

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You only have to look at Ayres CV, qualifications (lack of), what he did to Huddersfield, the unsavory people he brought into Huddersfield FC and screwed them over with. Lets not forget he was brought in as Hicks man at the time of the greatest schism in the club between Gillett and Hicks when there were all sorts of machinations going on..

 

Wayne had info and was adamant that Ayre was getting sacked at the same time as Kenny. I can only think they couldn't find someone more suitable who would follow the model and systems they wanted to implement.

 

Ayre has probably leaked this info that he, BR and Edwards are meeting to discuss the transfer system. I expect another leak in a few days saying what's happened. He along with Purslow have created this thing of trying to manipulate the press and briefing them about their side of things. BR has took it up as well - maybe he is forced into it by circumstance - and now has weekly one on one meetings with journos. That's not a criticism of BR, just a reality in how he has had to deal with Ayre. It's snide and abhorrent that the club with our traditions has been forced to deal in this way with stuff that should be kept in house.

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You only have to look at Ayres CV, qualifications (lack of), what he did to Huddersfield, the unsavory people he brought into Huddersfield FC and screwed them over with. Lets not forget he was brought in as Hicks man at the time of the greatest schism in the club between Gillett and Hicks when there were all sorts of machinations going on..

 

Wayne had info and was adamant that Ayre was getting sacked at the same time as Kenny. I can only think they couldn't find someone more suitable who would follow the model and systems they wanted to implement.

 

Ayre has probably leaked this info that he, BR and Edwards are meeting to discuss the transfer system. I expect another leak in a few days saying what's happened. He along with Purslow have created this thing of trying to manipulate the press and briefing them about their side of things. BR has took it up as well - maybe he is forced into it by circumstance - and now has weekly one on one meetings with journos. That's not a criticism of BR, just a reality in how he has had to deal with Ayre. It's snide and abhorrent that the club with our traditions has been forced to deal in this way with stuff that should be kept in house.

 

Dont all managers do that?

 

I am sure its the norm tbh - Ayre is part of the problem, as you say was widely hated at Huddersfield. If he wasnt toeing the FSG line he would have gone a long time ago

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Ayre has probably leaked this info that he, BR and Edwards are meeting to discuss the transfer system. I expect another leak in a few days saying what's happened. He along with Purslow have created this thing of trying to manipulate the press and briefing them about their side of things. BR has took it up as well - maybe he is forced into it by circumstance - and now has weekly one on one meetings with journos. That's not a criticism of BR, just a reality in how he has had to deal with Ayre. It's snide and abhorrent that the club with our traditions has been forced to deal in this way with stuff that should be kept in house.

Yet at the same time you have people moaning because we haven't been told why Henry and Parry were in Dubai.

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Yet at the same time you have people moaning because we haven't been told why Henry and Parry were in Dubai.

 

 

I don't believe anyone has complained about them being in Dubai. Just slightly disappointed that Henry has to turn to Parry in dealing with club business.

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Is it unreasonable of me to wonder why Sturridge has to go to the Red Sox for treatment? Rather than have good enough medics here?

Does this go back to the surprise sack of Bruckner and promoting Dr Zaf rather that replacing him.

 

Or does it just feel like that because of the rest of the way the club seems to be run?

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Players have always travelled (or been senrt) to wherever it is felt the best medical care can be given.

 

Think you may be reading too much into it, tbh.

They have, but usually to centres of excellent rather than to other sports teams.

 

I probably am though.

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He's not with the Red Sox anyway

 

Sturridge flies to Boston today and will be accompanied by the club’s head of performance Glen Driscoll. The trip was conceived of by the Liverpool medical department and Sturridge will have access to the same specialist treatment that is used by injured Red Sox players while he is in Boston.

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They have, but usually to centres of excellent rather than to other sports teams.

 

I probably am though.

And if the Red Sox medical centre is a center of excellence?

 

 

Edit: I see your (non-)point has been rubbished by cymrococh already. :D

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Where?

 

You know, above.

 

But no great leap. Still way behind our rivals in commercial revenue. And a huge gap in leadership.

 

Disagree with that first part, we have made a great leap from where we were when FSG took over. Agree that we're still behind our rivals.

 

It just doesn't add up for me. I've said for a while that my one significant reservation about FSG is their continued support for Ian Ayre.

 

Totally agree with this.

 

People have complained that we don't know why they were there.

 

Where?

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Is it unreasonable of me to wonder why Sturridge has to go to the Red Sox for treatment? Rather than have good enough medics here?

Does this go back to the surprise sack of Bruckner and promoting Dr Zaf rather that replacing him.

 

Or does it just feel like that because of the rest of the way the club seems to be run?

 

I think its more to do with the fact that you f***ing love moaning and whining.

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