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Hey mods, this isn't particularly tied to speculation on the battle between ourselves and Spurs for Gylfi, but it's not unrelated, so if you want to move it into a thread fine by me...

 

My points are more directed towards the need for calm heads and cool thinking towards FSG. Up until now the nature of heated debate has been to equate 'calm heads and cool thinking' with allaying concerns with FSG. I'm not so sure. I think it's an entirely appropriate time to be asking some key questions about the direction we are going in. It has become, worryingly, perceived wisdom, to explain or rationalise away a lot of things that hitherto were considered actually quite important.

 

There was a time when Champions league football was critical to our off field financial prowess. Upon failing to get into the CL Ayre tried to pretend that our financial model is not dependent on it, but obviously we would not want to be out of it for too long...

 

There was a time when getting in a genuine CEO was important, but then we very quickly reasoned (yes we did however much we want to think differently now), that Ayre had done well and deserved his promotion

 

There was a time when a new stadium was going to be critical to our medium and long term future... now it seems it's not as important as we once thought..

 

There was a time when a Director of Football was to be the pivotal role in the club, now it seems we have dispensed with the idea, as it's not needed because... (insert excuse or reason)

 

There was a time when appointing a top and proven manager was deemed important, but that's now not as important as a hungry and unproven manager because... (that's the way the Spanish clubs do it / it could be the start of something / insert excuse or reason here)

 

There was a time when other highly respected football people were coming into the club, but that's not as important now because....

 

Then there is the contestation over the signing of Gylfi. Hardly groundbreaking it would seem and it's not as if the guy is Messi, but when we want him, he's going to be a great part of Brendan's team, when he doesn't want us the tired old mantras come out (we only want players who want to play for the club etc etc... the truth is i want to play for the club but it doesn't mean you would want me). Xabi came because he believed in the manager and where the club was going. Masch was persuaded over a tactics talk with Rafa using a couple of pepper pots. What we want are players who are of genuine quality to improve us who are persuaded by the manager that this is the only club to play for...

 

We have become both kings of wishful thinking and masters of appeasement at the same time.

 

FSG said their approach was to under promise and over deliver. Well, they've met one half of their targets. Don't get me wrong on this. I like Brendan Rogers. The pre-season fan in me always lapses into optimistic mode when I think of how if only all the 'if onlys' come together this could be a great year. By March the hard cold facts have usually set in. For now though I believe in the guy, but the bottom line is that he has had one good season and communicates very well. It is the latter that currently differentiates him from other one-season premier league wonder managers in the mould of Holloway, Brown, etc etc. I want him to be oh so much better, I hope he is...but it is 'want' and 'hope' right now.

 

Many people have left the club. In fact, where they have over-delivered has been on culling. It would be churlish to ignore that they took some very expensive hits with the sums they paid last summer compared to the returns on the pitch. But right now the thought ruminating in my head is that they are putting this club into a holding pattern. We heard a lot about how they were speaking with some very important people in the game about who to appoint and what to do next. Who are these people? They may have been talking to them, yes - but the purpose of those conversations is another matter entirely. These are, I have no doubt, genuinely smart businessmen. what if their conversations have led them to believe that actually the financial risk is too great for substantial investment in the team or ground? What if they have calculated that they have purchased a global brand in a distressed sale, and if they can hold tight and have a financially viable and lean football club at their disposal then disposal is what they will do once the credit lines open up again or a benefactor steps in? What if they are holding us long enough to get us organised for moving us on? I'm not saying this would be a bad thing in itself. I am saying though that thus far everything about how our expectations have been managed has been to suggest that they want to get us justifying to ourselves why it is not all that important that our expectations are not met.

 

This summer will be a real test in my mind of whether FSG are going to back themselves to be owners of a competitive football club, or whether they simply want to have a very attractive and lean global brand on their hands to move on.

 

As for Gylfi - who knows, maybe he's just a manc who can't bring himself to play for Liverpool. Would you go to Old Toilet if you had the choice? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe Rodgers has a price he thinks is worth paying and he thinks he can get better elsewhere for the money. Perhaps. Perhaps these are the things we tell ourselves to explain away why our very first target might end up playing elsewhere... and then we'll say - so what... not good enough anyway... we can get better elsewhere... we only want him playing for the shirt...

 

and on we will continue to natter... explaining away the previously and seemingly inexplicable, on the grounds that we shouldn't panic... FSG have a plan... now is the time for cool heads...

 

well, in my opinion its a time for very cool heads to be as objective as they possibly can be on whether this lot are setting us up for success or for benign globally marketable existence for at least the forseeable future...

 

FSG watch... get on it (and I hope Gylfi signs...)

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I'll reserve judgement once the transfer window has slammed shut on my fingers. That will be my barometer of where we're going.

 

As of now, they've had their honeymoon period, and now we'll see the esteem they hold us in. Or not.

 

Optimism, right now, just dwindled down to around 50%.

Like with Brendan, we're on that knife edge once again.

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was wondring to myself the other day where we'd now be if the D.I.C. bid had been successful

 

 

completely f*cked, i'd imagine

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I am sorry Chewie , I was wrong, it's not the same without your signature

 

:D

 

don't worry Hass... I'm abstaining as a form of affirmative action :lol:

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Very good post Chewie and some important questions raised.

 

Regarding Ayre, I'm far from convinced that he is the right man for the job. Perhaps the owners felt that they had already changed so many club staff they wanted to keep Ayre on to provide some continuity going into the new regime. They obviously seem to trust him and he seems to be a good businessman but I believe the job requires more than that and worry that their confidence may be misplaced.

 

I have been impressed so far by Rodgers in his interviews and I like the fact that he intends to play positive, possession based football. I have some concerns about his ability to convince top players to sign for us, although if we were prepared to offer top wages then this might get around the problem, but are we able to do that?

 

My second slight worry with Rodgers is that tika taka football is not the only way to play and not necessarily the best way either. At it's best you can look at Barcelona a season or two ago but they have extremely talented, technically gifted players who have played that system for a long time. Also they missed out on the CL to Chelsea this year and were well beat in La Liga by Mourinho's Real Madrid who don't play tiki taka as it happens. I thought against Chelsea that Barcelona looked predictable, always attacking through the middle and hardly ever using the flanks. At times they took too long to get the ball from one end of the pitch to the other also giving Chelsea ample time to organise their defense. Rodgers has said though that his brand of football is a fusion of British and the continental style and I remember Swansea showing good pace in attack as well as the ability to stretch play when required. Overall I am confident Rodgers will improve us and will get us back in the CL given sufficient financial backing.

 

I do believe that FSG are prepared to keep investing in the team, although if they want to get the top players they may need to pay more than they would like to in the short term. As Bogman has said we'll be in a better position to judge at the end of the Summer.

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completely f*cked, i'd imagine

 

Doubt it, we'd have probably have been sold on to city's owners

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Doubt it, we'd have probably have been sold on to city's owners

 

Don't say that.... if only.........

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I am sorry Chewie , I was wrong, it's not the same without your signature

We haven't signed anyone since he stopped doing it. And he has the temerity to blame FSG for losing us Gylfi! F'kin nerve of the wookie.

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These are, I have no doubt, genuinely smart businessmen. what if their conversations have led them to believe that actually the financial risk is too great for substantial investment in the team or ground?

If that is the case, haven't they potentially made the right decision, then, both for them and for us?

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If that is the case, haven't they potentially made the right decision, then, both for them and for us?

 

Hicks and Gillet were presumably smart business men, and look where that got us?

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Never.

 

Having sold out and only having billions to spend, probably with Rafa as boss........

Don;'t care how we get there (cheating aside) I want number 20 before ginsoak pops his clogs........

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FSG like Hicks and Gillett and like that moron that owns villa - haven't a clue, don't want to spend and are hoping they are on a golden ticket

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Good post, Chewie.

 

I guess most of us have similar/the same concerns.

After H&G, I'm not buying in to owners' slick communication any more. I'll only judge them on what they actually do/or fail to do as it stands...

 

So far it looks like they are pretty cluless in what direction they want to take our club.

New organization---scrapped new organization

new employees---fired new employees

new unproven manager---neglecting to talk to a proven winner

new stadium---no new stadium

loosing out on Gylfi---might be OK, but a concern if BR really wanted him

 

As to Gylfi being a huge Manc fan... Ole Gunnar Solskjær was a huge LFC fan, was even a member of the LFC supporters club Scandinavian Branch. Didn't stop him from signing with the scum. I guess, most professional footballers take up the offer if the club is large enough with the view of winning things - so Gylfi is probably going for the money at Spurs, not dropping us because he's a manc.

 

I'm not looking forward to the comming season. Hopefully, BR and the players will prove me wrong.

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FSG like Hicks and Gillett and like that moron that owns villa - haven't a clue, don't want to spend and are hoping they are on a golden ticket

 

it looks like you're maybe right...or wrong

 

but wouldn't it be nice to know by now? as it's nearly 2 years now

surely this transfer window will tell us if the right pony backed us - can't keep on making the questions fit the answers for ever

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FSG like Hicks and Gillett and like that moron that owns villa - haven't a clue, don't want to spend and are hoping they are on a golden ticket

 

 

Lerner puts millions in every year, Villa lose a lot of money because they have given out contracts far bigger than they could sustain on their earnings, early on he was having them spend more on transfers than virtually any club in Europe. It didn't get them in the CL. We are also spending way more than earn right now. Spurs have never gone beyond their means, and their means are way less than ours, yet they are outperforming us and Villa. Just maybe the issue isn't with the spending, it's who it's spent on and who is running the team.

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FSG like Hicks and Gillett and like that moron that owns villa - haven't a clue, don't want to spend and are hoping they are on a golden ticket

 

They spent plenty last summer. All considered probably north of 50m

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Great post Chewie.

 

Masses of our fans have their heads in the sand.

 

FSG seem to be consolidating us outside the top 6, never mind the top four.

 

I suspect there is a big chance that FSG are looking to stabilise and maximise our finances in a way that looks attractive to financiers then sell us on.

 

 

 

Just spent 15 minutes looking through the pre season threads from only 12 months ago and then 24 months ago. Our expectations continue to be managed downwards and these owners are totally unaccountable to us. As a fanbase we are treated like mushrooms with a CE/MD running the show who is highly questionable.

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Great post Chewie.

 

Masses of our fans have their heads in the sand.

 

FSG seem to be consolidating us outside the top 6, never mind the top four.

 

I suspect there is a big chance that FSG are looking to stabilise and maximise our finances in a way that looks attractive to financiers then sell us on.

 

 

 

Just spent 15 minutes looking through the pre season threads from only 12 months ago and then 24 months ago. Our expectations continue to be managed downwards and these owners are totally unaccountable to us. As a fanbase we are treated like mushrooms with a CE/MD running the show who is highly questionable.

 

 

How can you consolidate a position outside the top four or six with a cost base that needs funds put in or CL football, and is maybe years away from balancing? How is that attractive unless you just give it away because you can't carry the losses?

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They spent plenty last summer. All considered probably north of 50m

 

They spent the Mascherano, Torres and Babel money

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Great post Chewie.

 

Masses of our fans have their heads in the sand.

 

FSG seem to be consolidating us outside the top 6, never mind the top four.

 

I suspect there is a big chance that FSG are looking to stabilise and maximise our finances in a way that looks attractive to financiers then sell us on.

 

 

 

Just spent 15 minutes looking through the pre season threads from only 12 months ago and then 24 months ago. Our expectations continue to be managed downwards and these owners are totally unaccountable to us. As a fanbase we are treated like mushrooms with a CE/MD running the show who is highly questionable.

 

 

You're getting tedious with this now.

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How can you consolidate a position outside the top four or six with a cost base that needs funds put in or CL football, and is maybe years away from balancing? How is that attractive unless you just give it away because you can't carry the losses?

 

 

They are massively reducing our cost base while maximising our income.

 

They are doing a half arsed initial stadium renovation, justified by a one sided memo from Henry to TAW which most people seem to have accepted without question as though it were a Jedi mind trick.

 

Revenue per seat is the new keyword, without any real understanding of what it means.

 

 

These owners have done almost nothing to inspire trust but under them we and they have shown constant mismanagement. They have zero understanding of our sport and to this day have not put in place a single person at Executive level who does.

 

 

They certainly aren't all in and I see plenty of signs that they are considering folding.

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They spent the Mascherano, Torres and Babel money

Which didn't exist. The Mascherano money that is.

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