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Guy_Incognito

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Just got back from work and caught the end of the service again. Saw some green and some blue scarves in the Kop, and it just got me again. The Everton fans' behaviour and reaction immediately following it is always one of them things that somehow gets to me.

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Rimbeux

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It is so very important to keep their memory alive, to keep going for some justice for them. Those responsible have been allowed to go quietly under the protection of the state and the establishment, but the truth will not be hidden forever.

 

It's the stories of the survivors that really get to me, those that were there, who lost mates, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters on a day that should have been all about the game, it never gets easier to hear, I cant see how it ever gets easier to live with.

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I get upset about the whole thing and I'm not even a Scouser. I get upset because it happened to my club and my fellow fans. And because of the sheer tragedy of the event even without a footballing context, and the disgrace of the cover up.

 

I can't even begin to imagine how the families of the 96 are feeling today.

 

YNWA

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Duncan Disorderly

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I'm not a Scouser and can only empathise with the loss felt by everyone affected by what happened at Hillsborough, but every year I make a point of reflecting on such an avoidable waste at 3:06 on this date and the 20th anniversary just focused it even more.

 

I was determined to listen in to the service on 5 Live at 2:45 but the missus had us visiting an elderly member of the family we hadn't seen in a good while and it would have been rude to leave, but I still had my phone alarm going off at 3:05 to go off for a quiet moment.

 

Reading some understandable comments, but "hate" for Duckenfield may be a bit strong IMO, he made the biggest mistake in his life and he needs to hold his hands up and say he was at fault along with many others, as it seems that Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen, so he wasn't solely responsible for what happened, but understandable as I said.

 

I just hope someone has the guts and gumption to take this case on and force an official review as it is so obvious that the disaster didn't just stop at 3:15 on that afternoon and also that ground design and entrance procedures could have been adhered to, which proves that people in positions of authority are culpable for the unnecessary deaths of so many people.

 

Grow a set of balls.

 

No more lies.

 

Justice and truth.

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I'm not a Scouser and can only empathise with the loss felt by everyone affected by what happened at Hillsborough, but every year I make a point of reflecting on such an avoidable waste at 3:06 on this date and the 20th anniversary just focused it even more.

 

I was determined to listen in to the service on 5 Live at 2:45 but the missus had us visiting an elderly member of the family we hadn't seen in a good while and it would have been rude to leave, but I still had my phone alarm going off at 3:05 to go off for a quiet moment.

 

Reading some understandable comments, but "hate" for Duckenfield may be a bit strong IMO, he made the biggest mistake in his life and he needs to hold his hands up and say he was at fault along with many others, as it seems that Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen, so he wasn't solely responsible for what happened, but understandable as I said.

 

I just hope someone has the guts and gumption to take this case on and force an official review as it is so obvious that the disaster didn't just stop at 3:15 on that afternoon and also that ground design and entrance procedures could have been adhered to, which proves that people in positions of authority are culpable for the unnecessary deaths of so many people.

 

Grow a set of balls.

 

No more lies.

 

Justice and truth.

 

epic fail.

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Reading some understandable comments, but "hate" for Duckenfield may be a bit strong IMO, he made the biggest mistake in his life and he needs to hold his hands up and say he was at fault along with many others, as it seems that Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen, so he wasn't solely responsible for what happened, but understandable as I said.

 

A police cover-up, from start to finish. Hate is quite rightly justified where this man, the chief superintendent in the area, is concerned.

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A police cover-up, from start to finish. Hate is quite rightly justified where this man, the chief superintendent in the area, is concerned.

 

Hate him. Hate all he represents. Hate those who covered up. Hate those who gave him his responsibilities.

 

On top of the mistakes he made, he chose to hurt us for the sake of his "professional" reputation - irretrievably, it now seems, 20 years on - and so did his mates.

 

He's poison and he'll rot in a bad part of hell.

 

It's very easy to hate him. He deserves nothing more from us.

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Redwire

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Just got back from work and caught the end of the service again. Saw some green and some blue scarves in the Kop, and it just got me again. The Everton fans' behaviour and reaction immediately following it is always one of them things that somehow gets to me.

 

That first game after Hillsborough at Goodison was a help. I think it was at that game where they completed the linked scarfs between the two grounds but I was in bits so I'm not certain.

 

As for Duckenfield, I couldn't hate him more.

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Duncan Disorderly

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epic fail.

Maybe?

 

Just being the devil's advocate here.

 

Why should one man be the scapegoat for the decisions taken by the police on the ground at the gates?

 

A decision was taken to alleviate crowd pressure which was probably the given response at the time with football crowds, which wasn't conjusive to proper crowd control with hindsight. It was a monumental mistake but then rank was pulled to save face and eventually jobs which is unforgiveable.

 

As a human being, panic would have taken over and excuses would have already been thought of as any training and professionalism would have been inadequate in the face of such an event.

 

Therefore you would have had a lack of training for a response to such an event, the typical "not my fault" reaction along with "oh sh*t, my job's on the line" along with any blame being placed on officers rounding up to the higher levels who weren't prepared to accept any responsibility.

 

That's my point, that he may have been the one to make the final decision, but it was panicked and he wasn't prepared to stand up and say he was the one where the buck stops.

 

The fact that the Taylor Report affirms that it was a "blunder of the first magnitude" should indicate that someone is to blame and I can't understand why that in itself isn't enough to at least lay blame on the decision of the police to open certain gates in the first place.

 

I'm not by any means trying to take away from anyone's feelings affected by this by saying they are wrong to direct certain feeling towards certain people, all I'm saying is that directing the focus of a righteous campaign against one person isn't the right way to go when there are too many people involved in suppressing the truth of what happened.

 

I hope I've explained myself a bit better after my initial post, but it doesn't revolve around me anyway, I just want the campaign to keep going and maybe the European courts will actually see sense at some stage.

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Watched hillsborough the dram/documentary on itv3 earlier one with my daughter who is 20 and we were both crying and she said I know understand why we sing justice for the 96 .

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Jarg Armani

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Duncan Disorderly, if it makes it easier, we don't just hate Duckenfield.

 

The hate is proportioned out to all those who made fatal errors and then told lies to shift the blame along.

 

He was in charge, he made the worst mistakes, he told the big lie which spawned thousands of others.

 

He is hated, deservedly so, but he isn't alone.

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The media coverage has been absolutly immence from the papers to online, to radio and tv. Hats off to all those who keep forcing this issue year in year out and refuse to let it go away. It's truely inspiring to see what people can do and let's hope those 96 get justice.

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