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Liverpool's World Heritage Status


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Reading this makes me wonder what the point in being a UNESCO world heritage thing is anyway. What does the city get out of it, except that they can say they are one? Is the benefit better than 30k jobs and 35k homes? I'd say not.

 

It would be typical if the status was removed due to Liverpool Waters, then that never happened anyway. Anyway does anyone have an opinion?

 

https://www.goodnewsliverpool.co.uk/2018/02/16/plan-to-save-citys-world-heritage-status/

 

A REPORT outlining how Liverpool intends to save its World Heritage Status is set to be endorsed by the city council next week.

The council, together with Government and Historic England, has drafted a Desired State of Conservation Report (DSOCR) which describes the corrective measures Liverpool is proposing to protect the Outstanding Universal Value (OUV) of the site which the city hopes will persuade UNESCO to remove the site from the “in danger” list.

The DSOCR will go to the council’s Cabinet next Friday (23 February) for endorsement following its recent submission to Government, and once approved will be submitted to the Department of Digital, Culture, Media and Sport for subsequent examination by the World Heritage Committee at its 42nd session in July.

The report focuses on the main issue of how the city needs to balance its projected population and economic growth over the next 15 years, which will see the creation of 35,000 new homes and 30,000 jobs, whilst protecting its World Heritage Site (WHS).

The main threat to the city’s WHS, as perceived by UNESCO, is the proposed developments in the £5bn Liverpool Waters scheme, specifically for its Central Docks area, which was given outline planning permission in June 2013. However, the report shows that Peel’s initial outline proposal for Central Docks is now being reviewed and a neighbourhood masterplan will take in heritage concerns and planning guidelines on heights of buildings.

 Top Idiot Joe Anderson said: “Liverpool’s World Heritage Status is of great importance to the city, not only in showcasing our unique maritime heritage but in how we can use it to shape our future boosting both our tourism economy and our civic pride.

“This report shows in great detail the lengths Liverpool has already gone and will continue to go, to balance the needs of a growing city whilst protecting our World Heritage Status.

“This is a delicate task and involves all the major city stakeholders working together to understand very specific planning issues and creating solutions that works for the city and UNESCO.

“With the support and input of the DDCMS I am sure this collaborative approach means we can all ensure Liverpool’s World Heritage Status is secured when the committee meets in July.”

Liverpool has already taken many steps to protect and improve the physical state of its WHS. A survey has shown that since 2012 the number of Buildings at Risk have been reduced to below 2.75% of building stock – far below the UK national average – with recent successes including the re-opening of St Luke’s Church (also known as the Bombed Out Church) while work this week has begun to save and eventually transform the historic Wellington Rooms (the city’s former Irish Centre).

In total more than £750m has been invested into historic assets within the WHS in the past decade including the upgrade of 37 listed buildings, 18 with council financial assistance, such as the Aloft Hotel, the award-winning Central Library and Stanley Dock.

Since 2015 each development proposal that has the potential to affect the OUV is accompanied by a Heritage Impact Assessment that details the significance of the asset/s that may be affected, the nature of that impact and, where appropriate, how any harmful impacts can be mitigated.

And since the 2017 World Heritage Committee Session Liverpool has also established an independent Task Force to re-establish a positive debate with Government and UNESCO with a view to the retention of WHS status.

 

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UNESCO can go f*** themselves

 

Useless accolade and a millstone around our necks

 

What's Joe even bothering about then? I reckon it's a millstone too, and one of the things that's allowed a crap cesspit like Manchester to streak ahead of us. Just fk Unesco off if it doesn't do anything.

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To what end? It's not a toy town. I'd much rather have a living city with jobs and proper infrastructure than Colonial Williamsburg or whatever.

I'm with you to be honest. That is, when applying that same logic to my own local area which is a big conservation zone as well.

 

Not my place to comment on what should happen to Liverpool.

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I imagine the intention is for the city to retain it's unique characteristics in the face of rapacious developers.

As a rapacious developer, I fully support the retention of listed buildings

But UNESCO go way beyond that

Their unelected, unnacountable mafia of luvvies decide that we can’t have tower blocks too near the 3 graces, or that we can’t cut a hole through the dock wall to allow a development to take place (wall is about half a mile long)

The planners and heritage people are equally clueless btw

 

It’s not about allowing things to be knocked down; it’s about allowing variations to existing structures that allow them to fit into a new development so that a development becomes viable - not immediately, but if a site is consistently rejected as being unviable because of the constraints of its listed elements then a rethink is needed

 

Because this doesn’t happen, listed buildings fall into disrepair and eventually get knocked down as they are deemed unsafe

 

I could give many examples of this process

It doesn’t happen in places like Barcelona or Paris but then of course our planners know better than theirs don’t they?

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I agree with you by the way, much better a living city with sympathetic contemporary additions than some untouchable shrine.

 

On a smaller scale we live in a conservation village which means you can’t touch anything that’s visible from the road. Heaven forbid the tourists see something they don’t like.

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I agree with you by the way, much better a living city with sympathetic contemporary additions than some untouchable shrine.

 

On a smaller scale we live in a conservation village which means you can’t touch anything that’s visible from the road. Heaven forbid the tourists see something they don’t like.

the proof of the pudding is in the eating I guess

if your village does not have derelict buildings, nor is denied vital infrastructure or a new school extension or something because of the rigidity of the conservation laws then all is well

but  if the laws mean that the homes on the roadside become increasingly unfit for purpose then eventually the village will become an old peoples' home because families/future generations won't want to live there

and when the old people die, what happens?

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The three graces are s*** anyway. Nothing useful can be done with the Cunard building.

the proof of the pudding is in the eating I guess

if your village does not have derelict buildings, nor is denied vital infrastructure or a new school extension or something because of the rigidity of the conservation laws then all is well

but if the laws mean that the homes on the roadside become increasingly unfit for purpose then eventually the village will become an old peoples' home because families/future generations won't want to live there

and when the old people die, what happens?

Secular stagnation happens.

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The three graces are s*** anyway. Nothing useful can be done with the Cunard building.

 

 

 

Should have been turned into a cinema years ago. Or one of those developments that have Halfords, Argos and Pets R Us on them.

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what we need is a big f***-off art gallery on the upper floors

here's a case in point as we'd need to open out the interiors a bit

 

had the Jam exhibition there btw....doesn't get more useful than that

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f*** UNESCO off, we don’t need anybody’s approval

To what end? It's not a toy town. I'd much rather have a living city with jobs and proper infrastructure than Colonial Williamsburg or whatever.

There’s plenty of great cities where modern architecture compliments what’s already there and improves the city, and the experience for those living and visiting there. If your not careful places can become a mausoleum to the past.

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