Herzlichen willkommen Herr Klopp

[Leo No.8]

On 12/07/2023 at 10:07, Jarg Armani said:

I think Klopp is very loyal, and it is to our detriment at times. Someone needs to be able to overrule him and get rid of players who are on the wane. I think I'd like to sell one of (any of?) Thiago Fab and Henderson this summer, just to get in the habit.

Got your wish there mate 2/3!

With this summers incomings and outgoings and Gakpo, Diaz and Nunez all being pretty new, this feels truly like Jurgen’s second Liverpool team now.

Excited for this next journey. He’s always built great teams from here, it’s keeping them together too long that seems to be his weakness.

[kop205]

I love him

[Bogman]

18 minutes ago, kop205 said:

I love him

Not the problem here.

 

[Case]

19 minutes ago, kop205 said:

I love him

Is right

[Conrad]

Not injured

[Hassony]

26 minutes ago, Bogman said:

Not the problem here.

 

Bizarre how many are turning against him on twitter, a lot of the big twitter accounts, including some of the TAW lot, are attacking him now 

 

[Dominus Maximus]

3 minutes ago, Hassony said:

Bizarre how many are turning against him on twitter, a lot of the big twitter accounts, including some of the TAW lot, are attacking him now 

 

That’s horrible. People can be right dicks. 

[Swipe]

3 minutes ago, Hassony said:

Bizarre how many are turning against him on twitter, a lot of the big twitter accounts, including some of the TAW lot, are attacking him now 

 

Who’s doing it from the TAW end? 

[Hassony]

2 minutes ago, Swipe said:

Who’s doing it from the TAW end? 

Rob G

but then he wanted Rafa sacked and was happy to see Hodgson as his replacement

[stressederic]

Just now, Hassony said:

Rob G

but then he wanted Rafa sacked and was happy to see Hodgson as his replacement

I was going to say that it sounds very familiar of circa 2010...

[Swipe]

Just had a look at his twitter feed. Nothing particularly scathing there tbf. 

[McBain]

11 minutes ago, Hassony said:

Bizarre how many are turning against him on twitter, a lot of the big twitter accounts, including some of the TAW lot, are attacking him now 

 

I watched the vid they posted last night, with Neil and at least one fella who posts here, and i saw nothing wrong with any of the takes. It was a constructive, mostly, discussion on where the issues lie. And there is without question evidence to say that the manager doesn't always help himself in the transfer market

Haven't seen what Gutmann has said though

[smithdown]

20 minutes ago, Hassony said:

Rob G

but then he wanted Rafa sacked and was happy to see Hodgson as his replacement

If I see him mooching around on the Lane I’m going to barrack him from across the street.  

[kop205]

31 minutes ago, Hassony said:

Bizarre how many are turning against him on twitter, a lot of the big twitter accounts, including some of the TAW lot, are attacking him now 

 

Some of them probably genuinely think they could do a better job than him.

Self-importance central loads of these podcasts and twitter blerts.

[Jarg Armani]

52 minutes ago, Swipe said:

Just had a look at his twitter feed. Nothing particularly scathing there tbf. 

There’s nothing, Hass is just still fighting the Rafa wars. Which I can totally appreciate.

[Dan]

55 minutes ago, McBain said:

I watched the vid they posted last night, with Neil and at least one fella who posts here, and i saw nothing wrong with any of the takes. It was a constructive, mostly, discussion on where the issues lie. And there is without question evidence to say that the manager doesn't always help himself in the transfer market

Haven't seen what Gutmann has said though

Who is the other fella who posts on here? I watched Kev Walsh, Stu Wright and Ian Salmon with Neil.

I was surprised that Neil laid the blame squarely at Klopp's door for not signing a defender this summer and also for neglecting the squad these last couple of seasons. Don't think that's a reasonable take at all. His main argument was Klopp wants belters and won't settle for decent lads. Endo is quite clearly a Klopp signing and one he will have had to "beg for" according to reports. Don't see how he can just remove the owners from this argument and be "neutral" on them.

[Romario]

1 hour ago, Hassony said:

Bizarre how many are turning against him on twitter, a lot of the big twitter accounts, including some of the TAW lot, are attacking him now 

 

Who from TAW are attacking him? I’ve heard v mild criticism of certain things at best. 

[Jarg Armani]

33 minutes ago, Dan said:

Who is the other fella who posts on here? I watched Kev Walsh, Stu Wright and Ian Salmon with Neil.

I was surprised that Neil laid the blame squarely at Klopp's door for not signing a defender this summer and also for neglecting the squad these last couple of seasons. Don't think that's a reasonable take at all. His main argument was Klopp wants belters and won't settle for decent lads. Endo is quite clearly a Klopp signing and one he will have had to "beg for" according to reports. Don't see how he can just remove the owners from this argument and be "neutral" on them.

I think @sammy & a and his adults in the room thing might be the answer. Some people love a complicated and sensible argument where a simple and emotional one is probably better suited.

Although Klopp’s relaxed attitude to the defence did briefly have me kicking off about him to myself yesterday.

[Conrad]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

Who is the other fella who posts on here? I watched Kev Walsh, Stu Wright and Ian Salmon with Neil.

I was surprised that Neil laid the blame squarely at Klopp's door for not signing a defender this summer and also for neglecting the squad these last couple of seasons. Don't think that's a reasonable take at all. His main argument was Klopp wants belters and won't settle for decent lads. Endo is quite clearly a Klopp signing and one he will have had to "beg for" according to reports. Don't see how he can just remove the owners from this argument and be "neutral" on them.

Klopp is right to want belters. Quality over quantity 

owners need to back him 

[Hus]

1 minute ago, Conrad said:

Klopp is right to want belters. Quality over quantity 

owners need to back him 

Agree, but when you're priced out again and again.

The whole approach is flawed, want quality but aren't prepared to pay for it, while also not wanting to pay market rates for up and coming talent.

[Ombudsam]

35 minutes ago, Jarg Armani said:

I think @sammy & a and his adults in the room thing might be the answer. Some people love a complicated and sensible argument where a simple and emotional one is probably better suited.

Although Klopp’s relaxed attitude to the defence did briefly have me kicking off about him to myself yesterday.

Klopp is doing his job at say 96% and FSG are doing theirs at 72%. TAW dynamics seem to be that Klopp needs to find that 4% to cover for FSG’s 28%. They’re weighted equally or maybe even more so on Klopp.

Klopp not being perfect is not an unspoken truth or something the masses can’t see. It’s just largely irrelevant.

I know it wasn’t said on TAW and was said on here but it’s just “keepers only cover 9% of the pitch so why replace Mignolet” over and over again.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Conrad said:

Klopp is right to want belters. Quality over quantity 

owners need to back him 

But your favourite two lads, Mane and Wijnaldum weren’t belters at signing stage.

[Jarg Armani]

1 minute ago, sammy & a said:

Klopp is doing his job at say 96% and FSG are doing theirs at 72%. TAW dynamics seem to be that Klopp needs to find that 4% to cover for FSG’s 28%. They’re weighted equally or maybe even more so on Klopp.

Klopp not being perfect is not an unspoken truth or something the masses can’t see. It’s just largely irrelevant.

I know it wasn’t said on TAW and was said on here but it’s just “keepers only cover 9% of the pitch so why replace Mignolet” over and over again.

 

 

Ha ha ha that goalie shout 

[PaulMcC186]

9 minutes ago, Hus said:

Agree, but when you're priced out again and again.

The whole approach is flawed, want quality but aren't prepared to pay for it, while also not wanting to pay market rates for up and coming talent.

They basically want value when there is none. Not when their mindset is stuck in 2019. 

[Earl Hafler]

16 minutes ago, Conrad said:

Klopp is right to want belters. Quality over quantity 

owners need to back him 

Fabinho and Gini weren't belters when we signed them 

[PaulMcC186]

4 minutes ago, sammy & a said:

Klopp is doing his job at say 96% and FSG are doing theirs at 72%. TAW dynamics seem to be that Klopp needs to find that 4% to cover for FSG’s 28%. They’re weighted equally or maybe even more so on Klopp.

Klopp not being perfect is not an unspoken truth or something the masses can’t see. It’s just largely irrelevant.

I know it wasn’t said on TAW and was said on here but it’s just “keepers only cover 9% of the pitch so why replace Mignolet” over and over again.

 

 

But your favourite two lads, Mane and Wijnaldum weren’t belters at signing stage.

Our aim was the get top 4 then. I'd like to think Klopp has higher targets now. We wouldn't sign the Wijnaldum or Mane equivalent now cos they'd be £70m each.